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    Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by ChrisC

Cheers Wobble. I will look out for that in the rules (and
only do it when
nobody's looking !).

49ers dont use a ratchet on the main. Not wishing to go down the
"Mainsheet Load" route again (honestly !), I would have thought that with
the
huge purchase of the sheeting from the end of the boom / transom the
mainsheet loads would be very low ? On the Vortex, which is centre boom
sheeted and hence has huge mainsheet load, I have caused very painful
crushing damage to my hands - doctors orders not to wrap sheet around
my
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No probs. Chris - given up.
Pass the skiff, man!
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Originally posted by ChrisC



49ers dont use a ratchet on the main.

 

Errr, yes they do. No cleats though..

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Off boom sheeting was trialled and worked well in light to medium, but
difficult in stronger winds because angles to a cleat are a compromise
between being right back in the reach/ downwind and right forward
upwind. What no- one seems to mention above is that the 49er and
the 29er work well off the boom because they are double handed and
the crew play the main forward whilst the helm stays back. For this to
work on a singlehander it will need a very trick cleat to allow it to cleat
uncleat from very difficult angles. I believe that a number of solutions
were considered, but the turret mounted cleat just worked better. I am
sure that some will pimp this boat, but it has had a really broad range
of sailors providing input so is well sorted.
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Originally posted by nathan

Originally posted by ChrisC

49ers dont use a ratchet on the main.


 


Errr, yes they do. No cleats though..




Blimey Nathan, now you got me thinking - 99% sure ours hasn't got a
ratchet but if it has its a tiny fitting, not the sort of monster you find on
single handers !
Not now Kato (you fewl) !

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Ex - 49er NZL142 (crew)
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With the big sail and long foot, I'd imagine palying the main upwind may get fairly tiring in a breeze. 

But I reckon by the time of the first Nationals, the leading guys won't be cleating the main downwind anyway. Move the ratchet up to the boom and take yer cleats off!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Feb 10 at 10:01am
Originally posted by ChrisC

Originally posted by nathan

Originally posted by ChrisC

49ers dont use a ratchet on the main.


 


Errr, yes they do. No cleats though..




Blimey Nathan, now you got me thinking - 99% sure ours hasn't got a
ratchet but if it has its a tiny fitting, not the sort of monster you find on
single handers !

I am fairly sure 9ers usually have ratchets, we certainly did on the 14.

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Originally posted by Peaky

But I reckon by the time of the first Nationals, the leading guys won't be cleating the main downwind anyway.

what, so do you mean that ideally it is better to play both main and genny downwind?  

I can understand that but it could be hard to do.

Would it be main in front hand and genny sheet and tiller in rear hand?

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na the way i used to do it in the vareo is kite sheat in your front hand and you need that the most and main in the back hand as you can play that in one hand whils stearing at the same time if u use the tiller uj right triky but you can do it once you get used to it

 

and also all the 49er's and 29er's for that matter have alwase had ratchits on the main sheets

hope this helps

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It might be tricky, but I'm sure it would be faster than cleating the main - once mastered.  Keeping the correct slot between any two sails is vital for max performance.  I think I'd have the kite in my front hand and mainsheet in the tiller hand.
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thanks this is really helpful - think I'll have fun with that!
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