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    Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 8:02pm
Originally posted by laser193713

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by laser193713


You can keep your drag curves, 59ers and 4000s! The mainsheet loads
should in theory be similar or slightly lighter than a laser im guessing.
I want to keep my drag curve as it is anyway, for obvious
reasons! As far as I can
remember, the Laser5000 mainsheet loads increase very suddenly
coming onto the plane, since the drag curve is like that. The loads on the
59er are about 1/2 that of a standard laser. As for ally boom and its
effectiveness and the use of the kicker, it all depends which tool you use
to change the sail profile etc. and this varies from boat to boat. This has
very little to do with my question though, since once you ´ve got the sail
apparently set right with the kicker or whatever you use, my question still
remains.


What i meant was the answer to the mainsheet loads question has a lot
of variables, depending mainly on kicker tension and wind strength. So
there is no real answer.




Let´s keep it simple simon undergraduate-like then. My question relates
solely to the increase in mainsheet tension which might occur when a
boat starts to plane in marginal conditions, nothing more. Anything else
is, however irrelevant to this question. There is a real reason for wanting
to know this.
With all due respect I don´t need to know about your laser - it´s a blow
downwind boat and only has one sail. There is always a real answer,
if you´re prepared to look for it.

And what about main sheet tension on the RS100 in this context then?


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Originally posted by Slippery Jim


Let´s keep it simple simon undergraduate-like then.


deleted as I was being a dick, as can be seen in the quote box below.

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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

[QUOTE=laser193713] There is a real reason for wanting
to know this. 

well lets have the reason then - else this current discussion is endlessly uninformative

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slippery Jim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by Doug.H

Originally posted by Slippery Jim


Let´s keep it simple simon undergraduate-like then.


Or we stop talking about "S-curve-give-a-sh*t" when we can simplify it
with
one sentence - When it gets windy my arm gets tired more quickly
regardless of what boat I sail.
We've all sailed plenty of different boats yet no one is jumping up saying
"yeah mate, I felt exactly what you're talking about". So maybe, just
maybe
whatever fancy equation you've thrown at it, in the reality of actually
sailing,
it counts for dick all.


I humbly apologise for any reason to have motivated you use defamatory
and aggressive language on this forum when I was clearly showing signs
of being fed up with not having my question understood.

Perhaps you should reconsider your tone. Experience - luckily second
hand - has shown me that the verbal assailant wakes up a few hours later
in hospital with multiple, severe injuries, such as glass in the face, neck,
stabbing wounds, baseball bat bludgeons and so on. I know you can hide
behind your monitor sniggering, but my advice to you is to save the talk
about dicks for when you need to use your own for the right reasons and
otherwise not to take that type of language out in public.

Shalom and good night



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Whilst we are on the subject on mainsheets what are the thoughts about
the 100 finalised design having a standard deck mounted turret / jammer
arrangement rather than the off-boom sheeting that was initially trialled ?

Personally I was hoping the off-boom sheeting would come to fruition as it
is such a sweet feature on the 49er, ergonomically perfect and enabling very
dynamic trim control (not a big fan of jammers and really struggle to release
the main in gusts regardless of what I do to ease them).

Thinking of maybe using the sheet leading from the boom sailing upwind
and just using the jammer on the downwind. Will the blocks allow this ?

Edited by ChrisC
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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:38pm
Look you lot, this is supposed to be a helpful RS100 owners thread, not an
arena for discussing the various sheetloads of antiquated and outmoded
garbage..

Start your own thread, here let me suggest a title.

Sheet Loads on Sad Boats for Simpletons..

So stfu & fotsyot.


edit sorry Chris C not aimed at you..

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ChrisC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:40pm
With the first production boats now launched (and lots more on their way !)
what is the situation with class rules and class association etc. ?

New to RS boats so not really sure what to expect.
Not now Kato (you fewl) !

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Post Options Post Options   Quote womble12345 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:41pm

Originally posted by ChrisC

Whilst we are on the subject on mainsheets what are the thoughts about
the 100 finalised design having a standard deck mounted turret / jammer
arrangement rather than the off-boom sheeting that was initially trialled ?

Personally I was hoping the off-boom sheeting would come to fruition as it
is such a sweet feature on the 49er, ergonomically perfect and enabling very
dynamic trim control (not a big fan of jammers and really struggle to ease
the main in gusts regardless of what I do to ease them).

Thinking of maybe using the sheet leading from the boom sailing upwind
and just using the jammer on the downwind. Will the blocks allow this ?

I doubt it, you would need the ratchet block on the boom. Also more importantly will the rules allow this? In the 500 its in the rules that you cant sheet off the boom.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:42pm

Yeah STFU Mongs lol xx

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ChrisC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:50pm
Cheers Wobble. I will look out for that in the rules (and only do it when
nobody's looking !).

49ers dont use a ratchet on the main. Not wishing to go down the
"Mainsheet Load" route again (honestly !), I would have thought that with the
huge purchase of the sheeting from the end of the boom / transom the
mainsheet loads would be very low ? On the Vortex, which is centre boom
sheeted and hence has huge mainsheet load, I have caused very painful
crushing damage to my hands - doctors orders not to wrap sheet around my
hand !!
Not now Kato (you fewl) !

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