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Norbert ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 351 |
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James, were you using Google Chrome when you did your reply? If so that is exactly the problem i was having regarding images and stuff that Mark wanted details of. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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They corrected that line break in the link issue in the Boards version of the
forum. I forget how long ago I pointed the problem out. It's the same with Firefox. Basically any link text or image if permitted to line break within the dialogue box will fail. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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With this thread and the dinghy trials thread running, I posted on the cvrda site about the interest being shown in oild boats here. David Henshall, mr Bearface media, works for a rival publication so doesn't tend to post here, but I have cut and pasted his info on the discussions below. "Regarding Peter Milne, the Typhoon, Wildfire and other developments, there appears to have been a little bit of confusion which I hope this short overview can clear up. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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And this is the Vulcan |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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Vandercraft say they've sold plenty of K1s already (more than 10 anyway), even without the marketing muscle of RS or the-company-formerly-known-as-performance-sailcraft.
So evidently it is for something that people want. Mostly gentleman sailors "of a certain age" apparently. Some of whom are going to be a little suprised by it's speed and the initial tippiness before the keel kicks in. Personally I'd rather retire to a K-1 than a soslow. But only at a club with a nice smooth gentle slipway! .... and did anyone else think the rig looked a bit flimsy? |
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scowsailor ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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The concept of a ballasted dinghy is an interesting one.
Will it be the best of both world's or worst of both? Some say the SB3 is best of both worlds and the K6 the worst of both world's. Who knows? I had been interested in the concept for years and had wondered why none were available on the market, perhaps proving the idea did not work. However, when the Laser Stratos Keel came out some years ago, I thought of it as a small sports boat, rather than the family friendly safe dinghy that it is marketed as. I bought one. My son and I had some great blasting down the Solent in force 5 westerlies. Superb long planes down to Newtown, then easy beats back. The 100kg bulb doing most of the work on the way back. If we made an error, caught the tiller extension or something, she would heel so far and then steady, giving enough time to recover. She was hard work in the shallow waters of Keyhaven where I sail though. The rudder would keep knocking up and control would be lost. My Wayfarer in the same situation was fine. Anyway - I prefer to sail singlehanded so sold her and really hoped a singlehanded version would come along. And her she is. Would I buy one? For sailing from Keyhaven - no. Shallow shingle beach would be a real problem to return to and get away from. Perhaps from Lymington, using the LTSC pontoons? Launch and paddle across to pontoon, sort boat, cast off not too bad. Returning - with no crew, cope with pontoon without damaging new boat in all sorts of winds - and pull up the steep ramp at Lymington on my own? 125kg, plus trolley, plus gear? No way on your own. 90kg is probably the max I think. Lovely boat though, just needs two shore crew to look after me! Brian Edited by scowsailor |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I'd be curious to know who says that. I've sailed both and considered buying both. They are completely different kinds of boat. The SB3 is a sportsboat, not a ballasted dinghy. It weighs 635kg which means you can't launch and retrieve it without a crane or car. It's required to carry an outboard or equivalent weight. There is no way to operate it like you operate a dinghy. A large proportion of UK SB3s are operated for convenience out of dry-sailing boatyards, with the operating budget than implies i.e. an order of magnitude more than a dinghy club membership. K6 is a ballasted dinghy. It weighs less than half what an SB3 weighs. It doesn't carry an outboard. Given a low-angled concrete ramp and sheltered launching location, it is possible to operate it like a dinghy. I'd also say the K6 is a far better designed and constructed boat than the SB3. However there are incumbent "ballasted dinghy" classes out there such as the FF and the K6 never found much of a niche, whereas the SB3 found the market space of a 20 foot sportsboat unoccupied in GBR and IRL. The SB3 has found it much harder to make headway against the Viper in the USA, which is both to some extent an incumbent class and arguably a better boat. |
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koechli ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 10 Location: Switzerland Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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I sail a 20ft ballasted dinghy in Switzerland (or is it a sportsboat ? ). It's a Dutch boat called Sailhorse and I love it (even if I am probably the only one who sails that kind of boat here). However mine is just 4 years younger than I am and is starting to require lots of loving care (just like me).
I like to sail alone, with a friend or with my wife and 2 children. I found the K6 to be my dream boat (200kg lighter that the Sailhorse) but I don't have the budget to buy one. I considered buying an RS Vision but I don't like the idea of capsizing. I was looking for a single-handed keelboat (because I have trouble sailing the Sailhorse alone when there is wind) and I found the 2.4mR but It looks like a kayak with sails. I think that the K1 has a market with people like me who sail on a restricted budget and don't like to capsize (and are fed up with painting/repairing their old 5th hand boat). My major problem is that I probably won't be able to take the whole family on the K1. Does anyone know how many people are allowed on the K1 ? I am also curious to know how quick it is compared to a Laser standard for example... |
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Slippery Jim ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Nov 09 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 586 |
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Hi and welcome to the forum koechli!
On which lake of CH do you sail? |
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Pass the skiff, man!
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