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    Posted: 23 Dec 09 at 10:24am
It starts life as an epoxy, which is then esterified, so it isn't an epoxy anymore. This doesn't help as you often see the word epoxy mentioned (like what I did above) because of this early involvement of epoxy in the process.
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Originally posted by Alistair426

Originally posted by rodney

First one to tell me what's wrong with the opening image gets a free bottle of Champagne  - over 18 years of age only of course!

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So the lack of spinnaker sheets wasn't the 'spot the error' answer then?

Alistair,

Nice try but not what we were looking for!  We may run another competition sometime so best keep any more discrepancies you notice to yourself   I have since spotted a few more but this is after all a representation and not a design drawing.

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Aha. Spotted one meself. I will save it for future reference...
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And you don't seem to have the essential list of availiabubble colours on your website...
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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by narc

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We are currently able to do a special UK price for the above at £ 9200 inc VAT.


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Ouch, the 'special price' for the RS100 is £6950 inc VAT.


Oh .. FFS so what ... this is the D1 thread not the pimp the RS100 thread ...


A Ford is cheaper that an Ferrari ...



So why can't we discuss how it stacka up to other alternatives? I imagine the performance difference between most Fords and most Ferraris is rather larger than the D1 and the RS100.
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New recommended PY for D-One!

As some of you will know that we started with a recommended PY of 950 - we always knew that this would be hard to sail to but the last thing we wanted was to be guilty of banditry.  We now have much more information as a result of input from the D-Ones out there in handicap racing and through careful analysis of results we are revising the recommended PY to 971 from 1st January.  This looks about right on a variety of courses, wind and sea conditions.   We will continue to analise results over 2010 and will report how it's going on a regular basis.

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Originally posted by mongrel

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

I was
under the impression that that vinylesters and epoxies are distincly
chamicaly different, in the same way that epoxies are different from
polyester resins.
My understanding too: I think vinylester is
more a superior polyester than an inferior epoxy. I don't, off hand, know
where it stands on the crucial problem of microcracking.


From what I know its slightly better than polyester & has better
resistance to chemicals, but is a lot more expensive and has a shorter
"use-by" date.  Its only really used in classes where epoxy is banned, as
its advantages neglible against cost.



From FBs Higher Performance Sailing: "A glass polyester boat will last a
year, a vinylester kevlar boat will last two years and a carbon epoxy boat
will last several years."

Also with relation to the properties of porosity and micro-cracking
modulus etc "The vinylesters have properties somewhere between the epoxies and the polyesters".
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Originally posted by narc


So why can't we discuss how it stacka up to other alternatives? I imagine the performance difference between most Fords
and most Ferraris is rather larger than the D1 and the RS100.


Yeah. If I were buying a Ferrari, the salesman would be unapologetic about the price. You want a Ferrari sir, you pay
the price. But then, with a Ferrari you are paying a hell of a lot of money for the badge and the status that
(supposedly) goes with it, and it looks sexy too. Ie, you're buying more than just a collection of components bolted
together so that they go fast.

So the price question can only be answered if you have a criteria in your head of what you think you're buying. Is it
speed, build quality resulting in longevity, build quality resulting in pride of ownership, build quality resulting in
a better sailing experience, better competition, better depreciation etc etc.

As we all have different ideas as to what criteria we consider important, I suspect that the only person who can judge
the value for money of a D1 (or anything else) is the individual concerned.
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TT, in your excitement you may be getting confused between the resin and the fibre when talking about epoxy hulls and carbon hulls.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 09 at 8:41pm

James;

I think you are trying to make simple comparisons that are unfortunatly meaningless.

I have no idea about the detailed specification of the MPS build; I dont know what grade/type of resin, foams, gel coats, tiecoats, glass & carbon Ovi's are using and I certainly don't know the details of the laminate lay up and then you combine that with the skill of the laminator and you get a boat ... so say two boats are similar in construction because they are glass & epoxy isn't useful; you need the details.

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