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G.R.F.
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Topic: Devotti Single HanderPosted: 21 Nov 09 at 9:15pm |
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I'm not miserable..
I might be old(ish) But I'm happy to enlighten young minds..
Especially when they're being bullsh*tted to..
Just think of me as a handy substitute for this...
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 9:03pm |
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disagree. With the kite up its 26 square metres of sail area. Come and have a proper conversation when the mighty GRF can handle a 26 square metre rig with his bare hands. lighten up, listen a bit, chill out, and stop being such a complete and utter miserable old sod.
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:59pm |
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Let me just explain why a flex top, or bendy mast isn't good.
It's for the same reason sailing upright is good rather than heeling. Only worse in a way. Heeling doesn't distort and destroy the foil, which disturbs the laminar flow (look it up) Unless the sail is cut so the leech tightens when the mast bends off to leeward which clearly that sail isn't. (Old test of flextop windsurf rigs in late eighties, pull downhaul, leech goes all floppy, lay on ground stand on mast tip, leech tightens. That mast is bending every which way. no way can it remain efficient. Sorry if you think it is you're just plain deluded.. Edit come to think of it didn't I read somewhere they're already working on another rig? I wonder why... Edited by G.R.F. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:47pm |
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No.. what none of you grasp, is that we've been learning how and dealing
with Mast Bends and Luff tube mismatch to achieve sail shape up and down wind for thirty years. Have forgotten more about sail design than clearly the simpleton that built that rig will ever know. As an efficient device for dealing with a range of conditions, given the level of sophistication the other control features of the hull potentially bring to bear, it is quite frankly a joke. For an expensive boat - its a cheap rig. Oh yes and concept of masts that bend to depower? 1989 was the last year that was tried (called flex top) and went out during the early nineties, with the advent of progressive twist, and controlled by downhaul. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:35pm |
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The point is when the wind gets up and down you windsurfers have to keep going out to buy more sails. This is a one design boat, just like the Halo and others that try to take ALL things into consideration, not expect you to go out and buy new equipment to cope with the conditions. get it?? Nahh probably not.
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:31pm |
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Grf, you might like to glance at the mast foot of your tea tray, it's a
pivot, unlike the fixed one in your alto. Different rig, different requirement. |
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:31pm |
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Grumpfh I think your handicap here in understanding what is going on is because you come from a windsurfing background and have never had to consider segmented wing theory, as you have only ever had to deal with a single lifting surface at a time. Both sails have an effect on eachother. I am not going to recite chapter and verse on it here. I will however suggest you read one of two books: Elements of Yacht Design by Norman L. Skene, and The Symmetry of Sailing by Ross Garrett, neither of which is a text book by any streach, and are simply interesting reads. Both explain the basic theory in laymans terms. I can lend you both of these, and hopefully you'll come back and understand what you are missing which has lead you to your mistake.
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:30pm |
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Well you are correct about that, however I had approx 10 mins previous to the piccy just been punished for having too much mainsheet on, so I let it off a bit more than I should have.....practice makes perfect. check out the piccy of the sealed mast working properly....i am 89kgs on the board. Tim |
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:27pm |
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Not sure how GRF still can't grasp the concept of a carbon mast that
bends off to deposed. The actual odd Bit about this rig is the inversion, but if it works...it works :-) |
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Posted: 21 Nov 09 at 8:22pm |
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I figured it would be something like that, just caught me out at how much there was, makes sense now. The sealed mast is a good move, especially on a single hander, it just makes life the little bit easier. I guess the trade off is not having the option to only replace half the mast if you break it - swings and roundabouts. The rig looks really good, although I think if it had been me in there I'd have been a bit more conservative and had the main sheeted in a touch more
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