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    Posted: 03 Sep 07 at 12:36pm

Is it me or are there less amateur GBR sailors going to/being successful at international regatta's??  Is this the spin off from lottery funded sailing??

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Giles scott, only 20 years old at uni is hardly doing badly.  As soon as he goes full time, me thinks Ed wright may take the back seat again. 
Once Mark powell finishes his masters (or at least i think thats what he's doing) at oxford and goes full time, you'll see his results jump to the top.  And like wise im sure with other sailors.  A lot of people who get the funding are going through university and whilst they may not be picking the top spots right now, the funding can help keep them close to form in the meantime. 
Of course, there are certainly people i wouldn't put on the funding list who are currently receiving money. 

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I thought Giles Scott was partially funded.....
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I think the gap between the amateurs & professionals is growing. All of the Finn sailors at our club will testify that the squad guys (including Ed Wright / Giles Scott) are operating on a different level to some very good amateurs in the class. Nick Craig - probably the best "amateur" sailor in the country, wasn't really able to get amongst the squad guys on a consistent basis. 15 years ago I think someone at Nick's level would have been our Olympic representative.
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So are we saying that due to very high standard fully funded sailors are performing at, the above average club/national sailorsd on't get a look in or bother to attend international/worlds events?

I agree with chrisarnell1 that 15 years ago something like the 505 worlds would have been dominated by GBR amateur boats but now it's merely peppered!

Is it a case of the standard of open event in the UK has gone up so the talented amateurs can get their fill without having to mix on the international stage?

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I think for the Olympic classes its certainly true that most "amateur" brits aren't going to get many places in the GBR teams for the Worlds & Europeans. Our allocation of places is pretty much occupied by Olympic or development squad sailors.

However (as mentioned on another forum) we have massive demand for events like the Laser & Finn Masters so its clear there's a very healthy "amateur" fleet competing at sub-Olympic level in many classes.

In the past I think potential Olympians would have been sailing in competitive, popular classes such as Fireballs, 505's and then putting together campaigns for a couple of years prior to the games.

I don't think this is really the case anymore - the squad sailors tend to stick within their classes pretty much full time (apart from occasional ventures into Americas Cup), so perhaps classes like the 505, Fireball etc have now returned to their "grass roots" sailors now the hotshots have departed into the Olympic boats?

 

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Originally posted by jeffers

I thought Giles Scott was partially funded.....

He does recieve funding but Is by no means full time and doesn't make a living from sailing so I dont count him as currently a proffesional sailor. 

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Hmmm.

Mark Powell was sailing full time (when he was 8th at the Worlds), he is now off to Scotland to do a PHD.

Nick Thompson was sailing full time this year (his results have certainly improved) but is going back to do three months at Uni.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 07 at 8:40am
i'll sail full time if someone pays me, and i wouldnt waste anytime with any of this going to Uni rubbish!
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but what happens if you sail full time and do not "make it" and you do not have a degree etc to fall back on ?
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