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    Posted: 02 Mar 05 at 10:28pm

Can I just say, that if you are young you really should try a couple of seasons in a non-boatspeed type of boat or you'll never learn about tactics, strategy and rules.  The trouble with boatspeed boats is that you can go very fast in the wrong direction and you'll never win a race like that, except by luck.  And you can't learn all those skills whilst you are sailing a boat which loses out when you tack.

Sorry it sounds boring but a Laser, Enterprise, Lark, Scorpion, RS200 or Wayfarer will develop your skills much faster.  I hate to say it but a Firefly might be even better!  You do need a slowish boat with others in your club to compete against or you'll end up with all those others I hear at my club saying "my boat doesn't point" and compleltely ignorant of the fact that they are probably sailing in a different wind.

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I agree.  Every young sailor should do a season or two at least in oppies or toppers to get the tactics and skills sharpened.  Slow single handing is definately the way to start whether you crew or helm.  For double handed mirror or miracle are the best options. 
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Originally posted by stuarthop

thats where your wrong i'm afraid blobby if you shop around like me and big man did you can pick one up for a decent price we paid 4 grand did a little work and its now worth about 5 grand. We should finish in the top ten at the nationals, Though scorps can win the nationals at any age aslong as its the new hull shape

Sorry - how does you spending 4 grand being right at the top of the range I quoted make me wrong?  I said you could not do it for less than that and you have spectacularly proved my point!  Aqua Marina (2nd in the nationals last year) is up for sale at 4995 and could probably be bought for 4,500.  Where is the big difference?

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Originally posted by redback

Can I just say, that if you are young you really should try a couple of seasons in a non-boatspeed type of boat or you'll never learn about tactics, strategy and rules.  The trouble with boatspeed boats is that you can go very fast in the wrong direction and you'll never win a race like that, except by luck.  And you can't learn all those skills whilst you are sailing a boat which loses out when you tack.

Sorry it sounds boring but a Laser, Enterprise, Lark, Scorpion, RS200 or Wayfarer will develop your skills much faster.  I hate to say it but a Firefly might be even better!  You do need a slowish boat with others in your club to compete against or you'll end up with all those others I hear at my club saying "my boat doesn't point" and compleltely ignorant of the fact that they are probably sailing in a different wind.

If you want to learn tactics, strategy and rules you need a fleet to race in irrespective of boat speed.  Most people I know who claim their boats don't point are the ones who have never had another boat of the same class to sail against, not necessarily those who have leapt into a boatspeed type boat.

There is no point sailing a 420 to learn tactics at a club full of 29ers (Or as in my case F16 cats).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 05 at 5:39am

I seem to be being argumentative today.  Sorry.

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its ok blobby i misread ur statement slightly big man only wanted a scorp though and as we did well at the nationals i wasnt that fussed, considering we had only sailed together 15 times before the ationals and i had only ever sailed a scorp about 10. first u18 helm and first helm+crew with a combined age of under 40 is pretty good in my books

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 12:43am

Not bad - the only time I did the Scorpion nationals it was with a guy I had never sailed with before.  He had a new boat with all the tweaky bits you can imagine and had Ian Cadwallader tune it up for him a couple of months earlier.

We then spent the entire week in the last few places while he tried to get the setting back to where Mr. Cadwallader said they should be...

But my sister then bought a Scorp and we won the vintage boats prize at the Rye Harbour open second time out - lovely bottle of port - and then I bought a Contender (must have been drunk or something)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 8:13am

Hey!

Actually I missed out on fleet sailing when I was younger going straight from a Topper to a (very old) Hornet then onto a Contender both of which I sailed in handicap racing until recently when the Weston Contender fleet was the biggest I've (club) sailed in at 8.

I do feel I've missed out and that my grasp of tactics is tenuous. Now I'm too big to sail much else and certainly far away from the nearest suitable single-handed fleet.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 8:18am

Don't get me wrong I loved the Contender - one of the best boats I've had even it it was probably one of the worst Contenders in existance (357 - avoid it at all costs!).

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i would go for the buzz purely for the stability and speed. it is suprising the crew weights that you can find out there
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