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    Posted: 24 Jul 07 at 1:46pm
We lent our Magic marine harness to a newcomer so he could try trapezing - I don't know if he had messed with the release whilst putting it on but it did let go in the middle of a race whilst he was flat out! The moral is always check the pin is fully in before going afloat.
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Originally posted by k_kirk

First time I'm seeing this design. Thanks for posting. I use the Bethwaite Keyball on my 29erXX and am generally happy. The issue is when others sail with me and have their own harnesses or when I need to sail with others on their boats with the ring. Looks like this design incorporates the best of the Keyball approach while remaining compatible with the %9x of the trap boats out there. Is the spreader made from an alloy or plastic/carbon etc?

The hook is made of stainless steel, and apparently needs to be that thick, as a lardy boy bent a thinner one.

There are various versions available besides the spreader bar, including one for the Banks skiff harness. Banks are or were at one time offering them as original equipment (albeit unadvertised - the market is so small).

I 'encouraged' my crews to adopt it mainly to preserve the boat's topsides having suffered from damage from a conventional hook on my Winder Fireball, but the non-tangling aspect is a serious benefit - I nearly copped it myself once while righting an old FD (the hook locked onto the gunwale lip so that the boat came over on top of me while I was still stuck there, pinning me under water). Another time, my crew's conventional hook got hooked on the underwater shroud in a capsize... scary.

I'm not at all convinced by the releasable hooks. Besides wrecking your topsides, I've also heard they can be tricky to release under load.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hurricane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jul 07 at 10:57pm

my magic marine quick realise hook has caused so much problems in the past 2 months

It almost came undone whilst going round texel without me pulling the string (not impressed)

So I cut the string to stop this happening again

At the next event I checked my hook as I always do before going out to notice the hook had partially come undone again -  NOT GOOD

I am changing back to a non quick realise hook for safety!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 07 at 10:05pm
I've always thought them a danger.  In my experience the less buckles, clips, catches and pieces of string the less to get caught up on inadvertently.  If there is simply one hook you know what you must be hooked with in the rare event that you accidentally get hooked.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote laser4000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 07 at 10:31pm
ok so I'm a lardy git that sits at the back of the bus...but I don't quite understand the point of the release hooks. When you windsurf one of the tricks you learn quickly is to release yourself from the harness lines when trapped under the sail and with the hook twisted in the lines. Surely the same applies when sailing - ok so there are many many more ropes to catch yourself on, and more risk of projectile crashesv - but don't the same principles apply..

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 07 at 2:22pm

i have to agree with you there, unhooking from things when you are in the water shouldnt be a problem. the only time it might be is if you are caught on something that you get your weight on, e.g shroud or perhaps kiker. simply shoving down off your hook normally clears it. having a little retainer thing doesnt help this though.

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I have had exactly the same trouble as "hurricane" with the Magic Quick Release thing. I have looked down at my hook on two occasions to find the hook going off to one side, meaning that the release pin is half out.

I changed back to the normal type and sent the QR back to Magic, asking for a refund. They sent me a whole new QR spreader bar, saying they had refined the product- admittedly great customer service. It does seem more secure than the first one and I am giving it another chance.

These QR things also stick out a lot further than the normal ones, increasing the risk of a tangle in the first place.

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 07 at 2:18pm

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Why bother with any of them.
You are about 1000 X more likely to die going to the sailing club in your car.

Nanny state = Marketing opportunity.

I've had two RWO QRH hooks.  I used to test it every few weeks stood on the shore and the first one stopped releasing unless I leant over to the left.  That's not "got a bit tricky to relase", that is a "would not budge now matter how hard you pulled".  Apparently it was "a one in a million weld failure".  When my new hook then became number two in a million I gave up and went back to a conventional hook...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Worthy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 07 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by hurricane

my magic marine quick realise hook has caused so much problems in the past 2 months

It almost came undone whilst going round texel without me pulling the string (not impressed)

So I cut the string to stop this happening again

At the next event I checked my hook as I always do before going out to notice the hook had partially come undone again -  NOT GOOD

I am changing back to a non quick realise hook for safety!



But even though your hook was dodgy you still stayed on the boat more than your helm!! ;-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 07 at 8:01pm
I've heard of many more accidental quick releases than people saved from entrapment.

Risk = probability x severity .... doubt a QR hook reduces risk overall.

We now have one of those flush hook jobbies, a little harder to hook into but it releases surprisingly easily on a capsize and there there is virtually nothing it can snag on.  Plus saves my nice new gelcoat.

Still, I should think a QR hook is a more realistic way of getting free if the worst did happen, than carrying a knife.
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