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    Posted: 31 Oct 12 at 6:03pm
Id be careful  of putting any varnish on that you intend to replace at a later date with 2 pac. You will need to ensure you remove it completely before doing so.

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Originally posted by Andymac

I think it would be worth giving this a try;
Don't know how well it will stay stuck in a marine enviroment, but you can use it for covering (waterproofing) maps. just be sure corners /edges are not left exposed to lift.
Cheap quick fix and there must be a Ryman's or other stationers fairly nearby for you.
Comes in smaller sizes (A4 etc.) for covering books.
 
Edit; I wouldn't wish to contradict Nessa (was preparing my offering when she posted). She probably knows more about getting old wooden Moths/Europes on the water, probably at the rate of 1 per week!
If you still wish to chance a sticky covering, I think my solution was what you're looking for. 
 
To protect the fragile veneer you could even put a layer (of paper or such) between the sticky and the bare wood so it is only stuck around the edges on top of the sound varnish.


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I think it would be worth giving this a try;
Don't know how well it will stay stuck in a marine enviroment, but you can use it for covering (waterproofing) maps. just be sure corners /edges are not left exposed to lift.
Cheap quick fix and there must be a Ryman's or other stationers fairly nearby for you.
Comes in smaller sizes (A4 etc.) for covering books.
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I wouldn't put anything on it sticker wise.  The veneers used on Europes are remarkably fine, so the chances are if it gets wet under the fablon/whatever, when you come to pull it off, the whole lot will come away and leave you with a much bigger problem.  It might work on ply, but not veneers. 

I would go to B&Q or whatever and look for some quick dry spray on varnish and put some of that on. If you can't find that use sadolin or ronseal. 
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Homebase still sell fablon.  
It wont look massively pretty but it has done the trick for me several times.  I managed to sail half a season in my wooden Phantom with a fist size hole in the side deck (don't ask) with some fablon and a bit of ply wedged on top.  It will keep the area dry enough and wont need stripping back like chemical alternatives.

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I'd just brush some more two pot on there and get it under cover as much as possible. Even if you just drape a plastic bag over it and the plastic bag sticks to the varnish all it will do is look ugly, and you'll have the least trouble long term. Get up early and put the varnish on before you go to work:-)

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A smear of Araldite Rapid. Cured in 5 mins. Used that on the rod ring whippings on my fishing rods in 1988 and have yet to have to do anything else!

When you revarnish treat whole surface with epoxy before varnishing. Then varnish is only there to protect the epoxy from UV.
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I won't have time to do that as I work full time and there are no lights at our club in Llandegfedd after it gets dark unfortunately! 

Its 2 pack on it at the moment and I can see that the problem was the initial application. The base wasn't 'roughed up' enough and it simply isn't sticking, so its peeling off. Surely a sticker (hopefully I will find a clear one) will be removable, as I will have to remove all the varnish anyway?
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This assumes that the wood is dry.
 
Lightly Sand the area of the bear wood to key it & to removed the edges of lifted varnish then re varnish with a trad varish that is thinned down with thinners by about 30% let this dry for about 24 hours & this will protect the wood.
Then if you have enough time put a second coat on while the first coat is still a little tackly of the same varnish but un thinned.
If you then put a low watt bulb in the forward tank to help heat the surface from the inside this will speed up the drying time ready for the weekend.
 
Because you are doing this outside you might be able to use a woodsealant for Ronseal. Quick drying & varnish like finish but only for a temp repair.  B&Q might well have that.
 
I am sure that Nessa, Jim C or Rubert will be able to give better or quicker solutions to your problems but for me that would work as a good water proofing - come temp solution for the week end without defacing your boat with stickers. 


Edited by bert - 30 Oct 12 at 10:11pm
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Fablon doesnt seem to exist any more! 

Would this be a completely rubbish alternative?

http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/wallpaper-wall-stickers/wall-stickers/sticky_back_plastic/Static-Cling-Film-Frost-11807531
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