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    Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 9:35am
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Nathan hits back

After yesterday’s story about the Australian 49er being different to everyone else’s it was only right to give Nathan Outteridge a right of reply. Here’s what he told me today:

“Ours is a Bethwaite boat, the other guys have got Ovingtons or Mackays. A lot of other guys said they never had the chance to buy one of those boats, but Julian [Bethwaite] built 10 of them and no one decided to buy, so people started complaining about it. It's a bit frustrating that people have talked about it like that, but we've sailed an Ovington, a Mackay and a Bethwaite and won a Worlds in all three. It makes no difference. The last Worlds was in a Bethwaite, the Worlds in Garda in an Ovington and sailed all through 2010 in a Mackay. The Worlds I won with Ben [Austin, in 2008] was in a Mackay.

“The boats are one-design but there are small differences and you can get any boat from any supplier and I'm sure you'll find differences. It’s a matter of spending the time over a four year period working out what's the right equipment to use for the weather. The hull is most important when it's windy, and our best day here was in the lightest weather and our worst day was in the windiest weather, so I don't think it's the equipment that's doing it for us.

“It’s been going on for about a year, people going on about our equipment. If someone had an issue about it they needed to come and talk to us about it, rather than just going behind our back. It's been quite frustrating. We had four boats here, in case we had problems. And we were ready to say, 'you tell us which of these four to use, so long as we can tell you which of your boats you can use.' We've got a few Bethwaites here and Mackays as well, and it was a case of, 'I don't care which boat we're going to sail because it's not going to make a difference.’”

Danish skipper Allan Norregaard said he didn’t have a problem with the Aussies. “They sailed really well. It wouldn’t have mattered which boat they used. They deserve that gold medal. But this is a problem for the class. We have to work hard to keep the 49er strictly one-design in the future.”


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Perhaps I should recount a tale of Olympic Sailboard centreboards being drilled vertically and carbon tube rods from a sail batten inserted down the centre to stiffen them up (New Zealand) and a secreted mylar stiffening strip backing the slot flushers with additional packing inserted in the centreboard casing (Greece), or three sets of different tuned battens (USA) each medal winners, each incident surfaced after the games. (I was part of the supply chain back in those days, hence how it came belatedly to my attention).

So it's not unheard of, just us Brits to my knowledge never engaged in it, that infernal sense of fair play..


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The French accuse our cyclists of cheating - because they are French!


let's not fall into the same trap


Edited by r2d2 - 09 Aug 12 at 8:35am
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Originally posted by L123456

But why cast a shadow by doing this, why not just buy an ovi?

I mean, why would an Australian team want to use an Australian built boat? Honestly guys.
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

AIUI, the UCI demands that all kit is commercially available. 

They do, the british bikes have been available for two years; no-one has even enquired in that time.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 12 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by ellistine

They wouldn't make them for anybody else - or so I heard.

Funny, says here http://bethwaite.com/shop/index.php/products/part_list/109 you can buy one on line...

Put your order in and then see what happens. 

I think this is a red herring they were clearly the best. But why cast a shadow by doing this, why not just buy an ovi?
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AIUI, the UCI demands that all kit is commercially available. 
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Originally posted by ellistine

They wouldn't make them for anybody else - or so I heard.

Funny, says here http://bethwaite.com/shop/index.php/products/part_list/109 you can buy one on line...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 12 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by Peaky

Interesting story. Presumably Bethwaite Design are a licensed builder? Putting aside the implication that that mould has been tweeked especially for the Aussies, - I wonder why no-one else got their boat from Bethwaite?
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I liked the story (today in the Times) that the cycling team put away all their special carbon kit after Bejing and used standard alloy stuff until now.  This allowed the other teams to think they'd caught up until now!  I think this means I have to enter the next Olympic trials in my 1963 Finn and only bring out the Devoti for Rio!  In fact, perhaps the squad should all sail in the CVRDA for the next 4 years!
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