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    Posted: 19 Oct 12 at 10:18pm
on the way back in from some youth squad training in some pretty windy stuff in weymouth (25ish kts) a squall peaking at 46kts came through, perfectly manageble upwind, but gybing was somewhat troublesome. then again, i suppose a topper is a bit different to an alto...
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I've been sailing dinghies for over 25 years, I can hand on heart say I have only experienced a sustained 35 knot squall once in my life, although I've come ashore several times to folks claiming that the wind we sailed in was '30-odd knots' in the gusts....  I never believe them.  20 knots (sustained) has most dinghy sailors in panic mode in my experience.  

I was sailing a 420 in a mixed handicap event on the East Coast at the time.  Nearly every other boat was blown flat, wayfarers, a 400, 505s, Lasers all gone... my sister was taken ashore by the RNLI after capsizing a Miracle and being unable to recover- the rescue cover was that stretched.  I mean nearly every one was over when the squall filled in, including most of the 420s I was racing against.  Only a couple of twinkles stood up and one 505, who really wasn't that much further ahead of us.  The race was abandoned, but we deep out in the estuary by that point after a survival lap and still needed to get back in.  

I was very fortunate in that I had on board an exceptionally experienced crew, he called all the shots, wired slightly high to keep visuals and I just pointed us where he told me to.  My eyes were shut solid 50% of the time from salt spray and sunglasses were useless.  It was scary, but adrenaline, experience and survival instincts kept me as alert as possible.

We only peeved it in once on the kite hoist as I got washed out of the back of the boat when we took a wave over the bow- I was leaning back with my calves against the transom just to keep the nose out.  We went for the kite hoist again, against my better judgement/instinct, but my crew was right, it stabilised us downwind.  I think this was my first experience of apparent wind sailing, although it wasn't as technically defined as that, I simply recall the weird sensation of easing the guy forward dead downwind as I felt the hull drive forward faster and faster- all probably what 18 knots max speed??? 

It was NOT fun,  but we made it in without any gear failure or injury.  I can't believe that racing can genuinely be sustained for club level sailors in that wind and I am truly skeptical whenever anyone claims to have finished dinghy races in that amount of breeze.... the committee boat couldn't hold anchor for starters, unless there were fixed mooring buoys.   But there was a sense of achievement- I guess being 16 years old helps with that.  Would I want to be out there again.  No, no thanks.  Even in a 420.... which is a damned sight more seaworthy than an RS200 or 29er.
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Weymouth in 30knots and Hythe in 30 knots are two entirely different sailing experiences, trust me I've been in both places, 42knots at Weymouth last time I went.

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Whilst waiting in the club house for the Weymouth Keelboat regatta to eventually be canned today, we were lucky enough to watch the Swedish 49er launch from Castle Cove with the anemometer showing an average 30kts gusting 37. Their first couple of tacks were a bit cautious as they made their way through the moorings and I've never seen a 49er with so much pre-bend in it's mast but they seemed relatively comfortable and stayed upright. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kurio99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 12 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Rupert

I see the video stopped when it all went wrong?

Fun for a blast with a rescue boat ratio of 1:1, but I'd not want to be providing rescue cover for a fleet of 300's in those conditions.
 
Couldn't agree more.  The last day of 2011 Cork was cancelled just before race start due to high winds.  The boats already on the lake were scattered over a 1 to 2 kilometer distance.  It could be several minutes before rescue would notice a problem and get on location.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 12 at 8:41am
I see the video stopped when it all went wrong?

Fun for a blast with a rescue boat ratio of 1:1, but I'd not want to be providing rescue cover for a fleet of 300's in those conditions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 12 at 8:53pm
I suspect the majority of us have been out in the really big stuff when caught out there rather than it being honking and thinking - I'll have some of that and launching  (a laser qualifier in Poole Harbour thousands of years ago when a storm came through and knocked the sea flat springs to mind - Keith Wilkins was a monster that day)

I can only remember one occasion (Thames Estuary Yacht club (1985?) - I think it was) when I went out in laser when frankly I shouldn't - but I was young (ish)  - and not aware of any responsibilities I might have and I'm here.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dkr1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 12 at 4:31pm
Im surprised nobody has mentioned the effect that waves have on the limit of what you can sail in. 

I've sailed when 41 knot gusts were measured from the deck of a yacht at the top end of an estuary with clean wind and no significant waves and felt within my limits. Equally I've headed straight back in 25 knots of wind on an exposed coastline with a large, steep, waves. 

The famed 49er medal race is a prime example here (not wishing to start that rant however). 
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