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    Posted: 17 Oct 11 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by rogue

Either of the above are irrelevant- small and medium sized clubs should look at this as an opportunity- Nessa's Women on the Water Group is a great advertisment for the sport as a whole and I hope Hunts SC (it is Hunts iirc) gain the benefit of a new influx of members.
 
We have already seen the benefit of the Women on the Water group (one of Nessas many brainchilds). That combined with a pro-active and friendly membership secretary and a good relationship with our TYA RDO the club has really grown over the last few years.
 
We now see lots more people sailing regularly even if they are not racing. It has also been the birthplace for the fledgling Europe fleet which is now gaining a growing following.
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i know. i read the draycote sc forum! Wink

also i know a couple people who do a lot of work for the club.

in the long term, small clubs will go to the wall and big clubs will end up like golf clubs.

BUT,
middle sized clubs are and will continue to be the life blood and back bone of the sport.


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Originally posted by ex laser

its easy to say ' get it together' if you sail at a larger club with a larger volunteer base.


easy to say, less easy to implement though... at larger clubs there is more of a service provider mentality (that's not a criticism, simply that for £300+ quid a year, I don't expect to have to flip burgers for another class's Open Meeting) If the service provision at larger clubs is not meeting the needs of the adult customer base then there are two sound economic / business reasons:

- incompetence and mismanagement
- low demand to justify costs/return on investment in new subs

Either of the above are irrelevant- small and medium sized clubs should look at this as an opportunity- Nessa's Women on the Water Group is a great advertisment for the sport as a whole and I hope Hunts SC (it is Hunts iirc) gain the benefit of a new influx of members.


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Originally posted by kfz

Your club needs to get it together.  RYA offer plenty of courses, we often take our regional RYA coach and bring him in to do a bespoke course.  We've ran 2 dinghy seamanship courses, A dinghy race training, Dinghy race theory, VHF, Dinghy instructor and Powerboat 2 this year. 

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in our defence, we are a very small club of only fifty odd members. most of the active sailors are already doing a lot of work for the club in lots of ways.

its easy to say ' get it together' if you sail at a larger club with a larger volunteer base.
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Hi Lucy,
 
You could try and get your club to run adult boat handling and race coaching, or look for a club that does this.  Or, instead of going to Minorca, or somewhere in the Med., contact a few sail training centres in the UK and see what deal they will cut you and your partner for one to one coaching - some will charge a fortune, some less but you need to make your training requirements clear so they can judge whether they can accomodate you. They are more likely to be able to do this in term time or on weekdays when they aren't running so many courses.
 
Do this over a few days in a nice part of the UK and you can enjoy the non-sailing bits too - not cheap, but an alternative holiday, perhaps. I learnt to sail as an adult and not too many clubs cater for adult training which is a shame, they lose loads of frustrated not-quite-there-yet sailors!
 
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Your club needs to get it together.  RYA offer plenty of courses, we often take our regional RYA coach and bring him in to do a bespoke course.  We've ran 2 dinghy seamanship courses, A dinghy race training, Dinghy race theory, VHF, Dinghy instructor and Powerboat 2 this year. 

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the squad system does what it does, very well.  get the country sailors that will medals, thats all it is there too do.

it up to clubs, with the help of the r.y.a. to put in place a system to help keep kids in the sport and provide training for grownups.

the clubs that do this( like hunts ) will survive, others like mine, will not( in the long term).

we did r.y.a. training, but had to stop because people like me would not volunteer to do the r.y.a training courses, so they could train new members! Embarrassed




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Originally posted by catmandoo

Training for the kiddies is there because the rya encourage , support and nurture it, developing youngsters from oppies through to olympic boats , meanwhile decimating clubs , taking their percieved life blood away like the pied piper , with their offers of "squaddie jackets " those that dont  raise to the game , flounder and dissapear , , consequently clubs see great waves of youngsters coming into clubs , clubs spending all their time and effort nurturing them to be left with a handfull if VERy lucky at the end ,
All this to win some gold medals , which get forgotten about quick enough.


Spot on! Far too much focus on elite kid sailing in my view, with everything else taking second place. It doesn't just change the mood at the club. It also changes perceptions of the sport generally, and sailing becomes simply not fun.

My kids had a taste of it, and have responded with an emphatic no thanks.
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Originally posted by barclay174

For example, last time the instructors released dozens of plastic balls on the water & the boats competed to pick up the most - which sounds to me like a fantastic way to improve boat handling skills & one I'd love to have a go at. 
 
We have used this game mainly with the youth. It is good because you can introduce rule elements to it and have a 100% no contact rule (still probably best to do in in Toppers or something that will bounce rather than break).
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Thanks very much for all your replies, lots of very helpful ideas & suggestions (especially Plas Menai, I hadn't realised they had such a good range of courses) - & also glad to know it's not just me that finds the set-up at clubs a bit frustrating. 

FWIW I'll definitely look into UKLA, but still think that a couple of weekends a year is not a lot for training & am surprised - given the size of the Laser fleets at clubs like mine - that more class training isn't available on a regular basis. Perhaps the answer is indeed to do the organising myself (thanks for the info re hiring regional coaches etc) - but it seems slightly odd that it needs a newbie to do it!

Also surely I can't be the only person who feels they could also benefit from & enjoy weekly fun, non-class specific training sessions? At my mum's club they go out for a couple of hours of follow-my-leader, race practice & training games. For example, last time the instructors released dozens of plastic balls on the water & the boats competed to pick up the most - which sounds to me like a fantastic way to improve boat handling skills & one I'd love to have a go at. 

In fact, I don't really see why the training can't be much the same as for kids - they get taught to sail extremely well while having a lot of fun, why does it have to be different for adults? I take my racing as seriously as anyone, but I also like to have fun on the water & if I could do that & learn at the same time it would be fantastic - & would also encourage my other half to come out sailing a lot more!

Rant over....... Many thanks again to everyone for the help, much appreciated.
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