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    Posted: 02 Jan 11 at 10:13pm
Originally posted by radixon

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From a tiller/rudder wrangling point of view doing away with the traveller would make life much easier. Allowing a fixed rather than removable tiller, or if you already have a fixed tiller allowing easier fitment/removal.
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as others have said the traveller is an old idea - and current thinking has all but eliminated in the mainsheet in controlling the leech of the mainsail  -  in the 'old days' a kicking strap was a 2 or 3 :1 tackle  with a v cleat  vs the 12:1 , 16 :1 or more mechanical advantage in cascade kickers , with cam cleats adjustable whille fully hiked ...
 
in the cse of the boat  shown  retaining the traveller is correct from an aesthetics point of view - is it required? ( i have a recollection of it being required on ents with the 'higher up the transom' tiller cutout ... )
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Originally posted by Mark Antony

Specific to the Grad, you do need to use a high bridle system in order to get the boom centrelined without causing the top batten to stall. To get the best out of the totally optional sheeting arrangements of the Grad, which can have the jib clew being brought as close as 250mm from the centreline, you need the main out of the way of the slot.

 

Staying with the old deck mounted traveller system would mean that the downward thrust of the sheeting would cause the top batten to stall before you got the main in enough to be out of the way of the slot.

 

I’d have a look at Steve Cockerill’s set up for his Rooster Grad for guidance on what best to do

 

For any other potential parent/child team out there, I thought I’d let you know that next years nationals will be at Stewartby SC – 30th April to 2nd May.

 


Yup spot on... if you want it to point as well as other Grads then you have to bring the jib fair leads in... and then centering the boom, whilst not stalling the top of the sail, is essential to getting it all to work.

If your sailing for fun then it doesn't matter much but if you want to race then a well set up Grad will out point just about any thing.

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Specific to the Grad, you do need to use a high bridle system in order to get the boom centrelined without causing the top batten to stall. To get the best out of the totally optional sheeting arrangements of the Grad, which can have the jib clew being brought as close as 250mm from the centreline, you need the main out of the way of the slot.

 

Staying with the old deck mounted traveller system would mean that the downward thrust of the sheeting would cause the top batten to stall before you got the main in enough to be out of the way of the slot.

 

I’d have a look at Steve Cockerill’s set up for his Rooster Grad for guidance on what best to do

 

For any other potential parent/child team out there, I thought I’d let you know that next years nationals will be at Stewartby SC – 30th April to 2nd May.

 
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Nigel, its seems your traveller enquiry has been answered.  I would leave the bar on the boat, just for cosmetic reasons.

On another note, i am/have been on the lookout for a grad to sail with my daughter, preferably a super grad as i don't want to be painting a boat every year like i am with the mirror.  We bought the mirror to teach my little girl to sail and to be honest i think the graduate is better suited, mainly because we can have fun racing against some faster the boats then drifting along in the mirror.

If anyone knows of an Old Grad that needs a home, let me know.  It could actually turn out to be the ultimate pimp project!
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Thanks for your positive comments, we've been very surprised how much fun the Grad has been -my daughter who had completely lost her confidence is now very keen on racing the Grad in the handicap fleet ....roll on some warmer weather !


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Nigel,

From a purely retro aesthetics viewpoint I'd agree that it'd look better with the traveller back on. Just don't expect it to be anything more useful than misplaced ballast  Wink As ham4sand says it's nice grad you've got there  Smile
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Whatever happens that's a nice looking graduate
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