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    Posted: 20 Jul 10 at 9:32am
A week long Nationals on the sea is going to cost a lot to put on, so costs are always going to be pretty high. Once you work out where all the money goes, and what you get (in a decent class) for your money, then it makes sense. I did the Fireflies last year, and had an cracking week, well worth the £180, or whatever it was. I'm off to the Lightnings at Northampton in August, which will cost £20. Great value, but I'm sure the running costs and the amount laid on for competitors don't compare to a week on the Solent.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Nationals will always cost quite a bit, accomodation, travel, a week of eating out, plus clubs have to provide a good race team and expect to make a profit. Over £200 seems a bit fierce though. But it's a lot less than taking a flying fifteen or SB3 to Cowes Week.


Actually hardly anybody takes a FF to Cowes Week. It's pretty much a local regatta for the Cowes Corinthian fleet. The huge cost of the ferry is one issue. Entry is £250 which isn't actually too bad in the overall scheme of things.

SB3s have 34 entries this year, down from a little less than 100 a couple of years ago. It seems they are mostly going to Garda instead.

I took a 707 to Cowes Week for a few years and accommodation was the biggest expense. However Cork Week is worse in that respect.
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 I have to say the 29er open at Thorpe Bay YC - Open Details - 25th & 26th September, £15 pounds for a two day event in the Musto, thats 6 races as well.  I will enter that event even if for some reason I can not make it, it just goes to show just how cheap a good club can put an event on, moor people will go so they make just as much money?

http://www.mustoskiff.com/fixtures.htm

Money in the post this week to support a club like this.

The entrance paperwork has £20 on it, but even if is £20 would be good . £30 for the 29er, 49er and b14.

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Originally posted by timeintheboat

One of the ways to keep the costs down for the Nationals is to sail for less days. The 3 or 4 day weekend with 7+ races (as used by the Supernovas as mentioned in the OP, Phantoms and more recently with great success the N12s).

It's true that a shorter event would be cheaper but for us (scorpions) at least the Nationals is the highlight in the calendar and gets a lot put into it. Obviously there are accommodation costs and time off work etc to consider but most the fleet want their full weeks holiday at the nationals... It isn't all about the sailing and most are there to enjoy a bit of both racing and socialising. The shore parties have already organised their first social for half an hour after the fleet launch on the first day so they are happy with spending the week there too! 

Having said that £165 (£110 first time entrants, U21 helms and boats with sail numbers <1850) gets you a week in Looe including 9 champs races, a crews race and practice race plus champagne reception, commodores reception including food and wine, quiz night, pimms party, karaoke night, fancy dress disco and final night prizegiving with a buffet and live music all thrown in too so its cheaper than quite a few others too...

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Originally posted by Fraggle

There is also no social side to the laser nationals which spoils the week for a lot of people. 

I can agree with this... I have done 5 Laser nationals since 2001, and the social scene seems to have slowly diminished from the nationals. The first I did in 2001 at Paignton was good, the highlight being most of the fleet visiting some foam party in Torquay. Last year, again at Paignton I spent most evenings on my own in my B&B watching the telly as probably all but 10 of the entrants across all fleets werent old enough to get into pubs.

The Laser seems to be splitting into two fleets, the masters and the youths, with not much in between. From what I hear the master nationals/events are all brilliant but I am not old enough to go to them. When I go to qualifiers/nationals currently, at 31 I am probably one of the oldest there (and would probably still be if I was 21).

 
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part of the reason for the high cost of entry to the
fireball nationals is the high price being charged by
restronguet sailing club to use their outdated and small
facilities-how they get away with this i dont know!
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One of the ways to keep the costs down for the Nationals is to sail for less days. The 3 or 4 day weekend with 7+ races (as used by the Supernovas as mentioned in the OP, Phantoms and more recently with great success the N12s).

Personally I like that format - up to 4 races per day of up to 1hr, rather than the week long format with less time on the water each day.
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Originally posted by Contender443

Originally posted by tickler

Obviously Laser will always be huge

I don't think so, just look at last years figures. I have always been surprised that Lasers are not producing 300+ per fleet at their major events.

The laser nationals keep clashing with international events which means the top guys can't attend.  Some people don't see the point in attending when the competion is lowered and for others its just too expensive.

There is also no social side to the laser nationals which spoils the week for a lot of people. 

Personally I'm not attending the nationals this year despite the venue being Mounts Bay as I want a holiday. 
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In my experience most Class Associations aim to break even at National Championships, I have sat on a few committees and there has never been any talk of trying to make a profit, most recognise it's in the best interests of the class and the sailors to keep the event as low a cost as possible. This will of course vary according to the selected host club, some are more expensive than others.

 

 
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Originally posted by andybury

 For 5 day championship some are talking of £120/150 per boat (double handed) for just the on the water charges, .

Thats £30 a day which isn`t to bad for a top venue 4 - 5 day event if you get decent parking, showers that work,decent launching & recovery, usually good / decent food & drink available.

Depending on where the venue I would go for that price & taking into account the extras take you may have to pay for like camping or B&B possible parking charges the extras may be the deal breaker.

If I am honest when I go for a one / two day event which is my perfered lenght of event,it usually costs me at the venue somewhere between £15 for a decent but friendly club & £30-35 for a more commercally minded business on top of the entry fee per day.

Considering the distances that I may travel to sail somewhere differant I am usual quite happy with those sort of prices,
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