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jpbuzz591 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793 |
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wave rider if u ever need a crew for that 29er, u know who to call
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Jp Indoe
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Wave Rider ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 909 |
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Yeah my next boat is to be a 600 or a 29er depending on whether my mate decides he wants to sail a 29er aswell.
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Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
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Chunky ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
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The 600 is truly a fantastic boat and definately more practical for inland/round the cans racing than the MPS or 700 as you don't have the kite to play around with. Also with round the cans sailing you very rarely have a decent leg where you can really get the kite and boat sorted and up to max speeds. I must say that I never thought that I would find a boat that I liked more than the 600 but the 700 has surpassed my expectations. My advice would be to try as many boats as you can before you buy. |
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RS700 923 (Propper Singlehanded Skiff)
I clocked 21knots last night :o) |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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on cloud 9er You have a perfectly reasonable set of reasons to (occasionally) sail your 29er singlehanded. But if you couldn't get a crew whenever you want to 'sail seriously' you'd still learn more in a proper singlehander. For your budget you could get an RS600 - and that would certainly teach you a thing or two and make any transition into MPS / RS700 very easy. I'm not trying to persuade you to do this, just making the point that there's probably always a better singlehanded option available. Edited by Hector |
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on cloud 9er ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 May 05 Location: Albania Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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I do agree with you to a certain extent- why buy a double hander when you want to single hand? I bought my 29er initially because I thought it would be a boat that I could sail single handed and then as my girlfriend got up to speed she could then join in ! Unfortunately she went and bought herself a europe instead! Also another reason for my choice of boat was cost, I would love to have a musto skiff but my 29er cost about £2,500 and you'd barely get the sails of a skiff for that! what it has allowed me to do is get crew at my local club for serious racing whilst still allow me to push my own boundaries as a single handed sailor. I reckon that having spent a year on my 9er it will be quite a simple transfer to a musto skiff or RS700 in the future. In fact I was hoping to go and test sail a musto in the next month or so, but I don't think they are that suitable for the lake I mostly sail on.
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Cleating - make up a platform on the boom and attach two cleats to it - one each side of the boom. It is impossible to do it with a single swivel cleat. Tillers - it is also a good idea to tie some shockcord to the tiller and the two grab rails either side of the boat. This really helps stabilise the tiller and helps minimise steering wobbles when you move in and out of boat onto the wire. In a breeze you can tuck the tiller extension behind you knee and steer by leaning from side to side. |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Mazza - as you said that you would be - "Mostly (exclusively, initially) sailing with crew" I think you've probably made a good choice although I think you should probably have had a look at your local clubs to see what they sail. blasting around alone is good fun but it wears off. Sailing in a close race within a fleet can give just as good a buzz - albeit different. RE Blasting - Just a thought - Is yours a a windy location? Or is the mean wind speed below Force 2? Reason I ask is that 29ers (and most skiffs except49er) don't really come into there own until a F3. They're ok but you'll find 'conventional' dinghies that are much more rewarding to sail in sub planing breezes. As far as sailing single handed goes - get a singlehander. They are designed for it, go better in a wider range of winds are easier onshore and you can race competitively. I can't understand Optimist - Topper - Europe - Laser (various) - Phantom - Blaze - Int Moth - Contender - Vortex - Dart 15 - Shadow - RS700 - Musto Skiff - Int Canoe Listening to your 'wants' and assuming you have decent breezes, from the list above, I'd go for a Musto Skiff as the best fit singlehander. EDIT:- should have said I'm not familiar with the (presumably American) 'Vector' so that could be another good choice for singlehander - but how would I know Edited by Hector |
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on cloud 9er ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 May 05 Location: Albania Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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With regards to twin tillers, they are essential and yes you do momentarily let go of the tiller through the tack or jibe- but only for an instant. The other advantage is that when setting the kite, provided that the hull is flat on the water, you can let go of the tillers as there is enough resistance between the two of them across the stern that they hold the ruder straight whilst you hoist the kite- gets a bit iffier as the wind increases as it is really important to keep the hull flat on the water. |
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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Yeah, putting a swivel and cleat on the floor is completely class legal. You would have to get another stand like that used for the jib cleat and put it in the middle of the central kick bar. To be honest though I do not think that a single boat in the UK has had that done (not to say you cant), and provided you have twin tillers and its no more than about F3, going downwind just have the main in your tiller hand, its far easier to ease than if its cleated.
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FLAT IS FAST!
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Why not? All you need to do is make a small bracket to fit the cleats to... Alternatively you have to get very good at tying a quick slip knot in the mainsheet to stop it going out too far once you have hoisted the kite. It is also class legal to put a standard ratchet block & swivel with a cleat on the floor of the boat (attached to the central grab rail) if you prefer sheeting from the floor rather than direct from the boom. |
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