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    Posted: 29 Jun 10 at 9:15pm

Old broken Winder stock is now on ebay folks!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300 441988178&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

 

If that don't work its item number:

300441988178
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

For sure, your Milanes blade
will be heavy, but from my memory I don't think the
Winder stock/blade combo is at all heavy.


Having watched our resident MPS sailor crashing into
the beach on many an occasion, I reckon that getting both
a dagger board and dagger rudder up late enough is a bit
tricky! Just getting to the blade and pulling it up in
time seems to be a challenge, esp. if it's tight enough
not to rattle in the stock. You can uncleat a pivoting
rudder well in advance and it just pops up undamaged when
it needs to (the Winder blade seemed to handily stick
just a little when right down).


Never had any problems with my Winder rudder not being
fully down except when I broke the downhaul rope on a
rock, but that would probably have meant a broken blade
or transom with a dagger.


I've never needed to fill and redrill any blade. What
are you doing with it?!



I was talking about lifting rudders in general. My RS
blades needed the pivbolt holes filling and redrilling.
No problem with this as its a maintance issue, but a pain
all the same. With a dagger rudder you can pull it up a
bit at a time and still not have a loaded rudder (like
you do when you partially lift a lifting version) the
running into the beach scenario isn't such a problem in a
phantom as you have a board up and down control and the
boat is slower and more stable then a musto so you have
more time! My Milanese blade is very light for a wooden sheathed blade, but not as light (i suspect) as a full
carbon job) As mentioned before, if i had the
choice/time again i would buy the dagger style over the
traditional lifting every time. But different strokes
for different folks i guess!
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For sure, your Milanes blade will be heavy, but from my memory I don't think the Winder stock/blade combo is at all heavy.

Having watched our resident MPS sailor crashing into the beach on many an occasion, I reckon that getting both a dagger board and dagger rudder up late enough is a bit tricky! Just getting to the blade and pulling it up in time seems to be a challenge, esp. if it's tight enough not to rattle in the stock. You can uncleat a pivoting rudder well in advance and it just pops up undamaged when it needs to (the Winder blade seemed to handily stick just a little when right down).

Never had any problems with my Winder rudder not being fully down except when I broke the downhaul rope on a rock, but that would probably have meant a broken blade or transom with a dagger.

I've never needed to fill and redrill any blade. What are you doing with it?!
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Medway, i would think it is a fair bit lighter then the
Milanes blade and carbon winder stock. I will weight it
with he blade in o see the difference. Also if i hit a
rock won't my centre board be the main issue??? I actually
think that dagger rudders are easier to use, no grief with
the downhaul uncleating, or having to push a lock pin
through, you know the blade is all the way down, no need to
refill and drill the pivot hole once every couple of years,
no worry of anything getting caught between the stock and
blade locking the rudder half up and half down! they are
simple light and effective.
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Originally posted by Merlinboy


http://www.maguireboats.com/default.asp?m=dp&id=76824

That looks like a dagger rudder. No thanks!

I can't believe the pivoting Winder is any heavier, so why would you pay a higher price and have considerably more inconvenience/breakability if you hit a rock?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Well done for sourcing one Russ- bet
that took some effort. 6 weeks
standard lead time... bloody hell, what a faff.

Now if I had broken a stock at the weekend it'd be
simple... go to work
monday morning, forget about it until tuesday afternoon,
phone RS and
moan about it, tell them it's just some piece of SMOD
crap and I'd have
expected better... then as if by magic, one would arrive
on a courier to my
office on Wednesday morning with enough time for me to
sod off early
and go sailing...

one phone call, job done.



Ha, Jimbo when i had my 300 rudder and stock stolen it
wasn't that simple pal. They were out of stock and it
took 2 weeks (at least) if i remember!! The lead time
was crap, The winder stock has got to be one of the most
popular stocks on the market (hasn't it) I think in
hindsight i should of sold my milanes blade and bought on
of these!!

http://www.maguireboats.com/default.asp?m=dp&id=76824

But i hadn't seen them before i ordered my new stock.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Well done for sourcing one Russ- bet that took some effort. 6 weeks
standard lead time... bloody hell, what a faff.

Now if I had broken a stock at the weekend it'd be simple... go to work
monday morning, forget about it until tuesday afternoon, phone RS and
moan about it, tell them it's just some piece of SMOD crap and I'd have
expected better... then as if by magic, one would arrive on a courier to my
office on Wednesday morning with enough time for me to sod off early
and go sailing...

one phone call, job done.

I agree RS are very good with their warranty stuff when it involves a component they can send you but you wont be quite so happy if you have a hull issue….. When I had a split in an RS hull due to poor manufacture I ended up having to tow the boat back to them, leave it there 2 weeks and then go back again to collect it, a total of 400 miles driven on my own time and expense for a warranty issue. I then had to repeat that 2 further times due to the repairs not working! A total of 1200 miles!
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

I may put the stock on E-may as i seem to have an inbox full of reponses about the stock, it seems fair on everyone that way, but PM me your offers highest bid secures

Stick it on ebay with some pictures and dimensions and let us all know?

I suspect someone who needs one quickly will pay a bit more than someone like me who intends to put it aside until a blade comes along/gets made!  Hard to guess a value but if  I buy something on ebay, theres always the idea that you can re-sell it for the next lowest bid if it doesn't work out...

There is an interesting article on the N12 website showing how to make one. I fancy having a go, but don't have the time right now.

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Chris its now empty.

 

I may put the stock on E-may as i seem to have an inbox full of reponses about the stock, it seems fair on everyone that way, but PM me your offers highest bid secures

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Originally posted by Alistair426

Sorry for delay. Seems to be OK in salt water. Gets a good hosing after each sail.

Watch this carefully. Depends on the aluminium, but I've just had to repair some carbon poles seriously damaged by an ali sleeve corroding. And the boat was sailed on fresh water.

Yo MerlinBoy, your PM box is full and I might be interested in the broken stock!!!!

Cheers,

Chris

 
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