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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Here's a J4 (waterline length). ![]() |
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gordon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037 |
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It is a J24, and is in class. Does well in the OD events as well.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Thanks for the considered reply. I can understand the approach for the 'wholesome C/R' that IRC likes, in the 33ft and upwards range, but I would have thought that the J24 would suffer an awful hull factor so as to not make even attempting IRC worthwhile, let alone the trouble and expense of individual measurement: I presume a class boat must be measured and weighted as for an 'endorsed' certificate to get a rating different from the class rating.
But Gordon proves me wrong: J24 can win on IRC (or is that really a J4?) |
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There is one J4 in Ireland, skippered by Flor O'Driscoll that is always at the front of the fleet - winning last years Dun Laoghaire Regatta in Class 3 on both IRC and ECHO. Boat was declared boat of the regatta. Did the same thing at Irish Cruiser Champs the year before.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Not sure if you are jesting or not but I'll give a serious answer. Once upon a time it was common for OD classes to race class-compliant with a single IRC rating e.g. the Sigma/33 and Sigma/38 fleets. That is now rare. The reason is that a boat can almost invariably get a more favourable rating but measuring individually. There are several reasons for that including: 1. they get more age allowance that way 2. it is normal for boats to weigh more than the designers figure on which the OD rating is based The now-defunct Prima 38 class in the UK led the way regarding an OD fleet using individual certificates, the briefly successful and near-OD X332 class followed and the markedly differing IRC ratings gained by allegedly OD J/120s has been a subject of controversy in the USA. As for what J24s do in IRC, haven't a clue. It's nearly 20 years since I battered myself on those and that was in the now-defunct Solent OD fleet. Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
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The "hitting marks" rule is a standard Sailing Instruction, not a Class Rule, as far as I understand it. I don't think it is something that can actually be modified by Class Rules, but can by SIs. |
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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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The rs racing rules which we use at events says that we can hit marks and not do turns but in club , handicap racing you cannot hit the marks after doing a few events you get used to it .
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J24 getting individually measured and non-class IRC certificates? Surely you jest? |
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Agree, it seems a tricky issue. How do clubs implement the rules without alienating people. Most rule bending breaking is probably a result of ignorance or economy but some experienced sailors knowingly do it for performance gain........I suppose it's a judgment call when dealing with it. |
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I was talking about adjustment of handicaps. There are keelboat classes that restrict sail purchases for class racing. To the best of my knowledge there are no handicap classes that do so. IRC, which is of course the dominant measurement rule in the UK, restricts the number of sails that can be carried but has nothing to say about the frequency with which they are purchased. |
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