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    Posted: 25 Jan 10 at 8:28pm

I started by crewing for my dad in a Mirror in the frostbite series on the local puddle at 5ish, and then had a Topper from about 7.  But I never helmed the Mirror and don't remember learning to helm the Topper - it just sort of happened.  I then crewed for my dad at open meetings in his Condor, which I loved.  But the bit I can't remember is how I actually learned, and wasn't sure what the best way for my boys to learn is.  I think I'll tale them out in one of the club Oppies this year, then maybe get a Mirror next year (there's a growing fleet at Chew of new dads!).  Then shove them out in a Topper when they're about 7 and see if they can make it back again (a sort of maritime Spartan test!).

Chew runs junior weeks and training courses, so I guess that is the best way of formalising their learning later on.  I used to have an instructors ticket, but it lapsed long ago, and besides I don't think my sailing technique (seat of the pants) is the approved RYA method!  Much better to learn from someone who knows what they're doing...



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I think a combination of the two is best. I used to ''crew'' for dad in his flying 15/mirror/gp 14 from the age of about 3. At 4 and a half i was bought my first boat a 2 hundred quid wooden optimist. I learn't to helm in this on a level 1 and two course when i was 5 (dad was one of the instructors) and although i didn't pass the course it got me started. That boat served me until I wIas 11 and got into the welsh squad.

I then sailed optimists, laser radials and 29ers until at the age of 17 i realised that squads were no longer for me and bought a cherub and a scorpion.

I think the key is that the child should enjoy it i was nuts about sailing and racing from a very young age, It was always my choice if i wanted to sail or play, I was very lucky that my parents were so supportive and not the typical pushy oppy parents. I think starting out in a well tuned but tough propper optimist did me a lot more good than these plastic optibats that are so common these days.

I strongly beleive that the optimist is the best junior class whether it is sailed for fun or racing but thats a different topic, the key thing is that your child enjoys sailing, it doesn't matter what type or what its in if theyre happy and having fun then they'll have the footings on which the greatest sport/hobby can grow and hopefully they'll be lucky enough to have a passion that they will enjoy for their whole lifetime... but prehaps thats getting a little caried away for the moment.



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Both. Mine love mucking around in whatever they feel like that day (Snark, Puffin, Mirror, tiny canoe or something from junior group), either with or without adult company, but also  enjoy racing the Firefly, even though I'm not the most relaxed of helms. 

 

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My kids had most fun sailing a borrowd mirror and then their own pico together. 

Hated Oppies, hated toppers, disliked the RYA "race race race" mentality - sailed with me largely in sullen silence!!  But double handed together was a hit.

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I agree with Garry.  Start them in something safe and stable, then, as soon as they're old enough get them into single handers.  Some clubs have oppis you can use or hire, or enrol on a course and use club boats.

We're now starting a scheme where parents who come along for casual sailing on a Saturday afternoon can train as Assistant Instructors and so can help with rigging, launching and going through basic land drills.  That way they know what their kids are doing and can make sure everything is safe and fun, as well as being involved with everything that's happening.  But I also agree about teaching your own kids.  On L2 courses I always split husband/ wife, parent/child combos to avoid the stress.  It's like teaching the other half to drive: don't even go there!
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Toby, it depends to an extent what fleets are around. When I first started sailing I was about 4 and started crewing for my dad in his Graduate. At the time Southport SC had a great fleet of Grads and many if not most were crewed by kids aged between 5-12 so there was plenty to talk about off the water and other to hang around with if the sailing didnt happen. I then moved onto Oppies once I was 10 and probably would have carried on if it hadnt been for the fact that we moved to a club with no oppies and no alternative for me but to go back to crewing with my dad. I ended up only sailing intermitantly from then until I went to Uni.

So it really depends on what others at your club are doing!

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I actually went Laser -> Radial* ->49er

I found this a bit of a "jump" LOL


*(there were very few Radials when I was a Youth and it was only when I got to 21 I realised that I would never be big enough for a standard rig)
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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

As long as they have the confidence to sail on their own I would suggest single handed sailing yields the quickest improvement.

All the best crews I have ever worked with have been good helms in their own right...

I agree that good crews are generally also decent helms. But just because you are a competant helm that doesn't necessarily mean you will be a good crew. I see youngsters who follow the Topper-4.7-Radial-Full Rig route and arrive at age 18 having never sailed in a boat with a jib or another person. That can provide its own limitations.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Emmett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 10 at 8:55am
As long as they have the confidence to sail on their own I would suggest single handed sailing yields the quickest improvement.

All the best crews I have ever worked with have been good helms in their own right...
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