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    Posted: 08 Oct 09 at 11:11am
Tack'ho - not exactly true...

A boat that touches a mark having been compelled to do so by a boat that broke a rule, may, under rule 64.1 c, be exonerated from having broken rule 31 BY THE PROTEST COMMITTEE. The exoneration is not automatic.

If you are compelled to touch a mark you must protest the other boat. If you do not, and it is not established that you were compelled to hit the mark, then the only fact is that YOU broke a rule.

This also applies to team racing - it is just that the protest are dealt with immediately by the umpires.

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Just a note from the Interservice team racing.  If you are forced into a mark as a result of avoiding an infringing boat (naughty Navy) you are NOT required to turn.  I blew a winning combination as I wasn't sure
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Originally posted by Rupert

 Shame the turns you do while trying to right the boat and having it blow over again don't count...

You might at least be able to claim one tack!
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Originally posted by craiggo

Gordon, your right the modifications to the rule for RS boats only applies at RS events.

I have to say that being able to hit the marks in practice makes no difference at all to the way you sail as hitting the mark with the boat is slow.

However it does reduce the number of protests and turns as nobody is concerned if your back brushes the mark as you sail by.

I would generally agree with that. However if you squeezed into a less than ample gap that you are not entitled to (but avoided infringing other boats), and gained substantial places because of it........

Could/has that happened in the RS fleet?

What recourse could there be?  Rule 2?
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It also used to be in the rules that if you hit a mark you had to retire. Even at the Firefly Nationals as recently as 1985 that was the case. So be thankful the rules have changed.

Does seem harsh that if you hit a mark while capsized you have to do turns, though! Shame the turns you do while trying to right the boat and having it blow over again don't count...
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Gordon, your right the modifications to the rule for RS boats only applies at RS events.

I have to say that being able to hit the marks in practice makes no difference at all to the way you sail as hitting the mark with the boat is slow.

However it does reduce the number of protests and turns as nobody is concerned if your back brushes the mark as you sail by.

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Originally posted by gordon

Only at class events if it is written into the SIs. The act of buying an RS boat does not give a general dispensation from the RRS!

The RS modification of rule 31 (which allows you to touch but not manhandle a mark) does not seem to have gained general acceptance outside RSworld.

Does anyone believe that it is a modification worth using, or does the modification just mean that mark roundings are even more indisiplined?

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It's also not only used for RS boats. I have competed events where Laser 4000s and 5000s have been allowed to touch the marks (but oddly not the L2000s).  I don't understand why this is done
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Those of us who sometime sail around knarly barnacled navigation marks in a few knots of tide tend to view touching marks as a bad thing.
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Only at class events if it is written into the SIs. The act of buying an RS boat does not give a general dispensation from the RRS!

The RS modification of rule 31 (which allows you to touch but not manhandle a mark) does not seem to have gained general acceptance outside RSworld.

Does anyone believe that it is a modification worth using, or does the modification just mean that mark roundings are even more indisiplined?

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It also depends if you are at an RS event, where touching of the marks is permitted.
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