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    Posted: 10 Sep 09 at 5:00pm

Originally posted by alstorer

Surely he knows that a lot of fast boats can go faster on a two sail reach (especially in big windds) than they could possibly go with the kite up?

 

I remember a very windy Brightlingsea Hurricane 59 nats when we came down the river at full chat on a broad reach in a good 6-7.  Probably doing 20kts and we could NOT slow down...

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Precisely: which is why its always worth discussing a compromise.

The Harbour Master can now report to his masters and any pesky jet-skier that the fast cats have to lower their sails... Meanwhile the cats promise not to get in the way of any yachts trying to manouvre into the moorings.
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Surely he knows that a lot of fast boats can go faster on a two sail reach (especially in big windds) than they could possibly go with the kite up?

On a related note: I've heard tale of a harbour master at Weston fining a large fleet of Fireflies for tacking up a channel rather than proceeding straight along it? Reputedly they sent him the cheque for the fine (out of class funds) stapled to a long letter explaining how sailing boats work?
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Brightlingsea start (and finish) their races in a fairly narrow creek, before racing out in the large estuary / sea. The creek has a speed limit (which the harbour master enforces). The sailing club has negotiated a compromise:

The races can continue to start / finish in the creek, as long as the very fast speeds are removed. So: any catamaran (remember: this is the home of Olympic cat gold medals) has to drop its kite when entering the creek. They are still WAY over the speed limit when on a close reach, but the compromise keeps everyone relatively happy.

It might help that the Harbour Master has in the past taught many of the club members to sail!
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I believe that is very much the case in law with pedal cycles (although many nowadays have mini computers fitted) I don't think a cyclist can be prosecuted for breaking a speed limit on the public highway, but can be prosecuted for reckless riding though!

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I havent been prosecuted but have been stopped after setting a speed camera off when a police car was following whilst cycling downhill.

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Unfortunately I think its more likely that an exception for racing boats will fail a reasonableness test than vice versa...

There have been a few cases internationally of foiler Moths falling foul of harbour speed limits.
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Hi,

thanks for the update on the 2008 by-laws. I did take the information from the official Windemere site, so it looks like another update has happened (without publicity).

It may be necessary to have a look at the legislation that enabled the making of these by-laws. There is also the possibility of Judicial Review if they fail a "reasonable ness test" - look up "Wednesbury unreasonableness"

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Originally posted by laser4000

there was a 'situation' at the hamble warming pan a few years ago where the harbour master got on the VHF and basically told HRSC to abandon racing.

There is a 6 knot limit on the river and that applies to sailing boats as well. http://www3.hants.gov.uk/hambleharbour/navigation-safety/riv er-byelaws.htm

The harbour master is well known for stopping keelboats kiting up the river but strangely enough, I can't find any basis allowing him to do so in the by-laws.

I kept a boat on the Hamble for several years and still sail out of there regularly. I don't think people regard the harbour master as officious. He's got a very busy and highly congested stretch of water to look after. Windermere can be pretty busy too but I don't think to anything approaching the same extent.

 



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Originally posted by laser4000

there was a 'situation' at the hamble warming pan a few years ago where the harbour master got on the VHF and basically told HRSC to abandon racing. It was pretty windy and there was no way the merlins were going at the speed limit for the river - but that wasn't the issue per-se it was more that it was 'dangerous'.Why/How/when the harbour master has the authority to do that I have no idea, but could put you in touch with someone from HRSC if it helps...

From what you say it would seem to be a case of the Harbour Master applying a bit of experience and common sense, rather than the "jobsworth" attitude we seem to be up against.

But if you could put me in touch with someone able to confirm how sailors stand in respect of speed limits in that part of the world I'd be very grateful.
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there was a 'situation' at the hamble warming pan a few years ago where the harbour master got on the VHF and basically told HRSC to abandon racing. It was pretty windy and there was no way the merlins were going at the speed limit for the river - but that wasn't the issue per-se it was more that it was 'dangerous'.

Why/How/when the harbour master has the authority to do that I have no idea, but could put you in touch with someone from HRSC if it helps...
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