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    Posted: 17 Aug 10 at 5:24pm
I still believe that IRC could be adapted to provide level rating racing. It is now within most designers capacity to guesstimate the probable rating of a boat. Providing that they fall within a stipulated band width, couldn't IRC offer a service which expresses the necessary alterations (only in sail area of corrector weights) to hit the exact rating. This would not necessarily destroy the "black-box" concept of IRC

This would not  provide cheap racing (on the contrary) but would allow cruiser racing to return to the best format yet found for attracting interest from owners, designers and the public.

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Ton classes have always been about silly expense and the quarter ton class is doing just fine.
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I'd seen some nice quarters, but could not justify the extra expense.

This statement just about sums up the quater tonners taking it to silly levels/expense!
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I looked at buying a quarter for quite a while, but ended up with a mini tonner, who a just trying to get the class reorganised. Upshot is, I got a sorted boat with cradle, sails, outboard, dinghy for £4k. I'd seen some nice quarters, but coudl not justify the extra expense.
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Originally posted by padigram

Originally posted by detente

Does any crew who have put a campaign
together wish to publish the costs they have spent and
then each to their own can judge the costs as to whether
it is expensive or not!


 



We bought our (one off) Quarter tonner for £4k (after
months of searching for the right boat) then spent a year
rebuilding her, new deck, cockpit, coachroof, new (second
hand) rig, new deck gear. The materials cost was around
£5k plus sails. We did all of the work ourselves

Running costs - depends on where you moor & how much you
race.

The bottom line is you can go out and spend upwards of
£20k on a sorted boat or as little as £2-3k on a fixer
upper.

PBO is running a series of articles at the moment
following the rejuvenation of Minestrone by her owner.

We love the QT fleet, great racing at a very high
standard and a fleet full of people who will advise, help
and support any new entrants to the class.


Having been dismasted , I took the opportunity to update the deck gear, stanchions and push/pulpit's on my old quartertonner anong with a new rig from Proctors with discontinuous rigging and some sails from North's. I reckon that the final bill was getting on for £10,000 and that was back in 1997 so I hate to think what the costs are today...........
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Originally posted by MattK

This past weekend i was sailing a quarter
tonner in my local yacht club
regatta, built by my dad in 1986, with original
everything, even sails!
Unfortunately it was only ever raced of the club PY and
never got an IOR
certificate so we cannot race in the cup even though it
is an original and
more with the spirit of the rules than these moderised
ones!


Matt,

the lack of an IOR certificate may not be a problem - I
suggest you contact Louise Morton via
www.quartertonclass.org - she may be able to help.
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Originally posted by detente

Does any crew who have put a campaign
together wish to publish the costs they have spent and
then each to their own can judge the costs as to whether
it is expensive or not!


 



We bought our (one off) Quarter tonner for £4k (after
months of searching for the right boat) then spent a year
rebuilding her, new deck, cockpit, coachroof, new (second
hand) rig, new deck gear. The materials cost was around
£5k plus sails. We did all of the work ourselves

Running costs - depends on where you moor & how much you
race.

The bottom line is you can go out and spend upwards of
£20k on a sorted boat or as little as £2-3k on a fixer
upper.

PBO is running a series of articles at the moment
following the rejuvenation of Minestrone by her owner.

We love the QT fleet, great racing at a very high
standard and a fleet full of people who will advise, help
and support any new entrants to the class.
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Posts: 889 		Post Options Post Options   Quote laser193713 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 09 at 10:29am

Since we have had sgt pepper the rating has gone from 0.869 up to 0.874 and now its back down to 0.869, the boat is also now going faster than ever, so you could say we have optimised well.  The way we did it was make the boat go fast with more sail, and taking the engine out and the new rudder, then tweak things like the forestay position, which we moved to the bow, this allowed us to fit a jib (115% sheeting inside the shrouds) instead of the 150% genoa which was harder to use around a windward leeward course and was wasted sail area in anything over 8 knots. We lost about 2m of sail area from this change which we added to the kite and added a longer spinny pole. Moving area around like this is the best way to optimise a boat without having a new rig, you need new sails every so often so why not change them around a bit, having said that our quantum main has lasted about 4 years now, still looks new but starts to flutter a bit in strong winds, genoas take much more of a battering though, another reason to change to smaller overlap sails!
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One of the things that has been lost to everyone posting so far is that under the old IOR rule, every boat competing in a level rating class was measured, optimised and prepared to conform to a single figure rating such as 18.5ft for the quarter ton class.
Now it just depends on how deep the owner wishes to hammer their cheque book to achieve the lowest IRC figure his rating consultant/drinking partner thinks they can get. It would have been much fairer to state a band width that all the boats could be optimised to fall into. 875 to 910 as a suggestion. This opportunity has now been lost unless the class makes a big decision on it's future on how to trim the costs that rumour control keeps pumping out!
I think it's great that these old boats are going out racing just as hard as when they were new, but some of the changes are possibly not for the better.
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Posts: 889 		Post Options Post Options   Quote laser193713 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 09 at 10:13pm

That little electric engine was funny, not really made for a boat that size i'm afraid!

 
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