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ASok
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Topic: Club Duties - How many?Posted: 23 Mar 09 at 10:06am |
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I'd agree with Gordon - cracking idea. Clubs need to latch onto certain club members that love to potter around in safety boats keeping a watchful eye on people or those that prefer the official roles as RO. Reduced or free membership for those type of people has more value than the ££! Play to peoples strengths and you get a better return on duties - lay down a dicate and you have more disruption through no shows |
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gordon
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Posted: 23 Mar 09 at 9:18am |
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There is a contradiction between wanting high quality service - good race management, excellent food and a well poured pint... and calling on volunteers to perform these services only a few times a year. How good a sailor would yu be if you only sailed 3 times a year?
Umpires need to officiate at least once a month if they want to maintain standards. Likewise race officers. I would suggest that the situation is similar with catering ad bar-keeping. If your club has a memebr who is interested in spending time officiating in on form or another then roll out the red carpet - reduced if not free membership, invitations ot club dinners, buy him/her the gear they need...whatever it takes to keep them keen, happy and doing the job. On another point - juniors should be given experience in race management, protest committee duties and all the other tasks (over 18 only where alchol is involved). However this should be managed so that they are also being trained by competent adults who are capable of transmitting their savoir faire. Gordon |
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Paramedic
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Posted: 22 Mar 09 at 8:45am |
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My clubs have a similar active racing membership. At one your unlucky to get 3 duties a year, while at the other you're on every 6-8 weeks. I think that the one club only puts racing members on duty and never junior members. I think this is wrong, a junior AOD will learn a lot about how racing is run and also windsurfers and casual sailors need rescuing just as much (Arguably more!) than the racing fleet. I may be dropping to one sailing membership next year because i want to do the circuit and the duties are prohibitive. |
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 21 Mar 09 at 6:09pm |
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The idea of becoming qualified sounded great - and it was. Then the duties came rolling in... Still, I guess we have to live with it (only 1 resignation this year from the rescue team). Thanks to you all for your input, the meeting proved to be somewhat productive. |
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Mikey 14778
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 1:24pm |
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If they're getting you to do more duties of one type, you should get a reduction in the other type(s). It's
not fair to say that you can do the set number of duties in every department PLUS a whole load of rescue duties as a result of you being qualified to do 'em where others aren't. FWIW, at my club you can't go near a rescue boat without a powerboat L2 certificate, and even that won't let you rescue anyone (hence why we pay our boatmen). |
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 1:12pm |
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Looking at how many people are racing on a good, typical day = 30ish We are always pushed to recruit rescuers/ROs - most people who sail maybe 5 times a year should do them, but because they aren't regular racers, they don't really count towards the rescue crews. When I first started, I had 1 duty, then 4 in a year. Last year's 15 has now dropped to 8 rescue boat duties, but there will no doubt be at least 1 bar duty to come. |
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Laser 173312
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 12:06pm |
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I was going to ask how many people you have out racing to need a staff of 10 to 12 people doing duties. Having been a member of a number of clubs the most duties I've had to do in any year is 3. And as I do Rescue boat, I get 1 more than most of the other regular members. However the commitee members of every club I've been a member of always do more than the regular members. But 15 is way to many.
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 10:52am |
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You're right Mikey. Galley duty is less popular than the bar duty, and our membership base is well-dispersed, so people tend to casually "forget" that they have a duty. However, we do have plenty of willing volunteers and mums who do a great job. Overworked? I'm inclined to agree - but yes we do pay MUCH lower annual fees than the club down the road. I think I mentioned to ASok a few posts ago, that the way forward is to get more people on the water doing water duties - We spend (IMO) way too much time doing on the water duties for the number of members/number of people actually competing in a race. Unless racing at every opportunity, it does feel like about a third of our time is tied up on the water, but not sailing! Rant over. |
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Mikey 14778
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 10:32pm |
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Galley duty got ditched ages ago at my club - nobody wanted to do it. So I'm not surprised that this is
the source of most of your no-shows. At least the other duties involve water and boats, but standing around doing sandwiches and coffee is the pits. I think you *are* being overworked at your club, but maybe a low membership fee is the flip-side. We pay our rescue crews, and the food is contracted out, but of course this all costs money which ultimately comes from the members. Finding a good compromise between cost and workload is tricky. As is the compromise between engendering a clubby atmosphere and driving away non-compliant members. It's a tricky one to get right. |
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 10:05pm |
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I'm starting to wish that I hadn't asked the original question - I'm beginning to think that we are being over-worked at our club! Our usual allocated duty teams consist of 1 RO with 2 assistants, 1 Beachmaster, 4-5 people in RIBs. 2 on the bar, and 1-2 galley slaves to assist 1-2 cooks! The bar/galley crews are not necessarily sailing members, so there are usually enough of them to pick from the membership, but strangely the source of most no-shows. I'm thankful that we can usually hold races owing to most people turning up. No racing due to a lack of rescue bods would be a disaster - Whoever is desperate for a drink is likely to stand in behind the bar, at least temporarily! No-shows result in a call from Committee/Commodore. Membership renewal will be questioned in the case of consistent no-shows. |
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