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    Posted: 09 Dec 04 at 12:05am
As you push your way out on the trapeze its nice to have something on the floor to push against.  The 29er has a tube or "kick bar" along the floor for this purpose.  Similarly the Laser4000 and RS800 has raised ridges in the floor moulding.  The 800 is rather nice since it also has a raised ridge at deck level just in from the gunwhale so that you can trapeze from there (sort of half trapezeing) - terrible for sitting out though, but then you'd never want to.
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Cool.........one other thing can someone please tell me what kick bars are for cos im thick and have no idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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For those that don't know the Strap-Ons well, they are like a modern plastic wayfarer with an assymetric.  So no, they are not fast, as in skiff or RS800 or whatever, but they do go quite well for their size and weight.  I changed from a L2000 and I'm doing much better, eben thought the PY is lower.

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one word

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Hi sorry not answering ur question bt are laser stratos's fast ??????
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Hi.

Thought I'd join in.  What's your point with the Stratos handicap?  My understanding was that it was originally 1095 but has now come down to 1083.  Are you saying it's too low or too high?

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The rule change in 97 for the cherubs made a significant difference in the boat. The increase in sail area moved the point where the boat starts to plane down the wind range. The change in the hull restrictions meant that you could have a much narrower hull on the waterline and you could move the widest point to a more efficient position further back in the boat.

For the old boats with modified rigs you get earlier planing and in a 12ft boat planing is the key to performance. For the new boats you also get a light winds improvement, however they do take some time to learn to sail.
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Originally posted by Blobby

In the Merlins, for example, you would need to have more like 50 new boats built to have the same impact



I think its more to the point that the Merlin is in a stable design space. It seems to me that the PY hasn't greatly changed for a very long time because the design within the rule was largely stabilised a long time ago and changes are largely small and incremental. To this outsider Merlins of today don't look obviously different to those of 15 years ago in the way that say Moths do.

Don't forget that 3.6 seconds in an hour improvement in boat speed is plenty for winning races, but its only equivalent to a point on the yardstick.

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I agree completely - and that's true in all development classes though. 

My point was how quickly the Cherub PY has changed in comparison to other development classes because getting 4 or 5 new boats out there means that probably 30% of the fleet are bang up to date.  In the Merlins, for example, you would need to have more like 50 new boats built to have the same impact, and as far as I know they aren't building Merlins that fast (partly because the boats last a long time)
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In the Cherub because it is a small class development can be slow. The rules changed in 97 it took til 98 for the existing boats to be converted to the new rig plan, then 99 to 2000  for the first new hulls to be built(When building in your spare time it can not be done quickly). It can then take a year or so to get the new boats working properly and actualy sailing to their potential.

 
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