Painting an ally mast |
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Can't just slap on some colour then
![]() I think I'll leave that Idea well alone. As I couldn't get the boat I really wanted, I'm rather pathetically trying to think of ways to make the one I will be getting look cool. What a geek!! |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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the skin metal on aircraft is typically etched, anodised and primed. The surface of aluminium if you take a cut (or sanded piece) and expose it to air is rubbish for painting (and bonding)- the oxide/hydroxide layer, whilst reasonably protective to corrosion from the air, is quite weakly bound.
So, the parts are degreased (half an hour in a warm, alkaline bath) to remove oils etc. Then etched (half an hour in a hot bath of chromic sulphuric acid) which creates a honeycomb-like structure of more tightly bound oxide. this is unfortunately unstable in air; it must be used within eight hours Then anodised in a bath of chromic acid or phosphoric acid- this creates an even stronger oxide that has about four hours surface stability in air the etched and anodised surfaces have decent corosion resistance as is- as you see with boat masts, they don't require any further treatment to stnad up to a lifetime of use in salty environments. But, as mentioned, the surface becomes rubbish quickly as far as bonding and painting go, so they are sprayed- with aircraft, the market leading primer by a long way is Cytec's BR127 (this is the yellow). It's nasty stuff to work with- horrible solvents and chromate are a fantastic combination... Take home message: if you want a good painted surface on anodised metal, you need to paint it fresh out of the anodiser. Otherwise: forget it. It's not the paint that will fail; it's the surface of the metal isn't strong enough. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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Anodised alloy spars rarely stay looking good after being painted: I'd advise against it unless you have access to full on industrial techniques and materials.
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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You'd need to use an etch primer such as that used when painting aircraft, I believe the name is 'yaffle yellow' from Azko Nobel. You need to be quick though as generally it works best if the base layer is sprayed while the primer is still wet ie within 3hrs.
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aardvark_issues ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jul 05 Location: Weston-Super-Mare Online Status: Offline Posts: 505 |
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My old man and I had red painted spars on a new N12 back in the early 90's. Looked great and lasted well, but was professionally sprayed with the boat...
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Back when I was a nipper, Fireflies had Ali masts with wooden tops. I have a feeling the Anodizing was either no good or non existant, and the masts were frequently painted, often white. It always flaked, and always looked crap. Even a pitted old ali mast looks better than a flaky painted one.
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NeilP ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 271 |
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Anodised alloy is very difficult to paint effectively. I would think you would need to use an etch primer first to get the subsequent coats to stick, but even then I'm not sure how long it would last. The bending wouldn't be that much of an issue, I just don't think you'll get the paint to stick on the anodising.
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No FD? No Comment!
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radixon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407 |
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And one big flake of paint would make the mast look pants! Also what would the effect of salt water have to the paint? |
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hollandsd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853 |
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It is possible, you will need some 800 grit wet and dry, some metal primer and then some spray cans of the correct colour, you will need to rub the whole mast down with wet and dry to "key" the surface and then paint the primer on/ Spray it on then rub it smooth, then apply the spraypaint over the top and then rub it down then reapply. Bearing in mind this will increase the weight of the mast and probs wont be classs legal in many classes. Also you need to do lots of thin layers not one thick one otheriwse the paint will flake off when the mast bends.
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How hard/easy is it for a complete painting novice like myself to paint an
ally mast and have it turn out well? Let's say for instance I want my mast blue, what do I do? The likely hood of me doing it is extremely low but I'm interested to know if I could do it well and what I would have to buy and do to make a good job of it. Surely any paint would crack and flake away as the mast flex and bends? Doug H |
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