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    Posted: 10 Nov 08 at 2:34pm

this covers the basics:

  http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga07-home/emergencyresponse/m cga-searchandrescue/mcga-hmcgsar-sarsystem/channel_navigatio n_information_service__cnis_/dops_-_all-sar_cnis_unorthodox_ crossings.htm

depends what mood the french authorities get in once you cross the line 300m from their coast, could nobble you for being either side, personally I'd rather not risk it.  Sothampton water to Cowes and back sound like a far safer and more plausable idea, I don't think you need a passport to go to the IoW although might be safer to just in case



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Post Options Post Options   Quote ASok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 08 at 2:21pm

No need to ask permission - just follow shipping rules and pack your passport!

Not too sure if the rules get tighter up towards Dover, but then I've never sailed up there and have never needed to look into it.

 

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I'm all for 'Adult' spirit of adventure. Yeah sure try and get approval. The odds are you won't as in these times everyone covers there backs. And when you don't get approval, go and do it anyway. Accept the risk and get a life.

I'd like to ride a motorbike at 150mph all the time; I accept the risk but after getting caught twice over a ton and getting banned the law started to get in the way.

Unuathorised crossings of shipping lanes are no different; if people want to ignore the rules of the road then that's fine but accept that you may well get slapped with a very big fine.



The difference there Rick is that driving at 150 mph on a bike is irresponsible and liable to kill other people. Being 'irresponsible' and sailing across the English channel in a dinghy is only likely to end in your own death know-one else's.

if you want to be turely irresponsible without endangering others do some of this...

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first time I got pulled over a ton was on an empty M1, not a car in sight ... only risk was to me but then you could argue if I spread myself down the road then the emergency services clearing up the mess would be at risk ... but then if little Jonny in his Laser 3000 gets into trouble the emergency services will go to him at risk also ... so the risk is never one's own as others will always get dragged into the mess.

I've done some sea cliff climbing; the attacks from sea birds were most unpleasant. I have no idea how that bloke as the balls to do that free.

 

Lets not talk about speeding please i just got my court summons through!  5:00 saturday monring, superb visability on the way up to the lord birket!!  Now job on line!!!  Gutted

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Not sure what all this asking permission business is all about - as far as I know if you want to sail across the channel, you sail across the channel.  If you break the regulations covering the traffic seperation scheme, you will be fined.  If you don't, you won't.

 

Can anyone substantiate these ideas that you need to ask permission?

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

If you must cross the channel for the heck of it, up this end of it, trail
your boat over there and come this way, no laws preventing your arrival
here, whereas if you go the other way, you'll get pulled.

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Re the L2000 sailor in question the reason he sailed over and trailed back was that he had been informed that you are not allowed to sail from France to the UK.  He is a fairly experienced sailor - including THAT Fastnet race - and did quite a bit more than just rock up and launch.

Rick, we need to share stories as we seem to have remarkably similar records; at one time ('86 ish) I was the 2nd fastest recorded speeder on the M4 Bath to Bristol and followed that up later with the summons stating the vascar had gone off the clock.....t'was only later that I learned that that was what roads in France had been built for



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Originally posted by tickler

I have put this on before but it seems to match this post. Uffa Fox built a  sort of 20'  IC with 2 sliding seats in 1935, "she was very long and had easy buttocks". His intention was a  boat capable of exeeding 20kts which it did not manage. His 17' canoe managed 16.3kts over 1/2 of a mile. The 20' boat was called Brynhild and in June 1935 Uffa and his crew, Bill, set out at 6 am from the Solent to sail to Cherbourg carrying  2 primus stoves a typwriter and assorted luggage. They experienced variable weather on the crossing, at times having to reef and other times almost without wind. They reached Cherbourg at  7.30 pm exacly 12 hours after passing the needles, an average speed of 5kts. They then had a jolly holliday cruising the French coast. Remember wooden spars and cotton sails, no hi-tech clothing or sat phone just oilskins and kapok lifejackets (if they bothered at all). There is a picture of Uffa Fox sailing a canoe in just his knickers!  Real men? or just lacking imagination?

He also took a bunch of sea scouts across the channel and then up the Seine on a camping trip. I was told that the parents didnt even know they were crossing the channel but thought he was taking them camping locally. Of course before mobile phones the little darlings would only have told mummy and daddy after they got home.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Philsy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov 08 at 8:51am
I've crossed the Channel in yachts (from Southampton, not Dover, though)
and always found it a bit dull. I'd much rather go along the coast towards
Plymouth - much more interesting and plenty of ports to hop into. I could
see that being fun (but challenging) in a dinghy.

One of the magazines had a feature recently about a guy sailing a Mirror
from (I think) Chichester to Poole.
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If you must cross the channel for the heck of it, up this end of it, trail
your boat over there and come this way, no laws preventing your arrival
here, whereas if you go the other way, you'll get pulled.

But you must consult with al the relevant authority's this end, and you
should take a support boat, it gets very gnarly in the middle with a
serious short steep egg box that makes planing next to impossible in the
middle in mid range wind.

It is run using very sophisticated computerised radar equipment and you
wouldn't necessarily show up without a radar reflector. My chum is now
one of the Coastguards that run it, and one of my reps is part of the
coast watch service that keep an eye on this stretch from one of several
lookout posts.

It is the most watched section of the channel, it being the shortest
smuggling route from Europe. Drugs, Drink, People, Cigarettes and of
course the annual nutters that insist on doing it in anything from bath
tubs to bicycle power.

And having sailed, skied & windsurfed across it i can tell you from
experience it is the most boring thing to go across and not very
hospitable at times, but I'd be more than willing to give anyone pointers
should they decide to do it.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 08 at 4:18pm
in 1927, Avenger left Cowes at 4.30 in the afternoon with 3 people on board and masses of food (no support boat) and took until 10 pm the following night to cross the 100 miles to Cherbourg, where they took part in a regatta (and won), sailing back a few days later, which took rather longer in very bad weather. And that was in an open International 14, the most extreme dinghy of it's time. If Uffa Fox could do it then, then why not lesser mortals now? Summer might make more sense, though!
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That's truely hardcore.
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