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    Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 10:13pm
i would say that we had outstanding teams in the 49er as in 2006 Draper and Hiscocks won the worlds and pre-olympics then in 2007 won hyeres. Selection is always difficult and is not always right like i did not agree with some of the decisions for 2008 but luckily i am not on the selection commitee. I think that the team did outstanding in such difficult conditions and after chatting to them yesterday it sounded really hard for a couple of teams.
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Originally posted by theycallmegod

D&H were silver medalists in athens...

I think Stevie and Ben were the best choice- they had won a world chamionship and some test events... (Their blog is an interesting read)

Were Draper and Hiscocks even still sailing together during selection?

Draper and Hiscocks were actually winners of the bronze medal in Athens. Silver was Barker and Hiscocks in Sydney.
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I see the sailors themselves want to get 11 medals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/sailing/7586070.stm

 
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

On the Tornado front, McMillan and Howden won the selection process and so earned the right to go to China. They also won the medal race which is a great result. But (yet another) mid fleet finish in the Tornado at the Games suggests we have not made any ground on the rest of the world in this discipline (and now may never get the chance to!). Perhaps therefore we should have gone with Hugh Styles? Again, we will never know.

I'll hopefully get a chance to talk to Will in the next few weeks.  Looking at their mark roundings in some races it looks like they got killed by a couple of shifts (Race 2 - 1st to 8th on last beat, Race 4, 2nd to 12th and back to 8th, Race 6 4th to 14th and back to 8th, race 8 10th,9,8,7, 2nd! and then win the medal race).

IIRC, when there was wind, they did well; sounds like they did not throw enough double 6's !!!!!
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Yeah stevie and Ben were the correct choice.  Draper had slipped off his game a year ago (he's still an incredible sailor) and Stevie and Ben had really stepped up.  No choice really.  Stevie and Ben just had a bad day with a few problems (tar on their boat apparently) so that dropped them out of it.
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I think in the 470s, Tornados and 49ers the selection was made more difficult by the fact we have multiple good, but not outstanding crews. In both the Finn and Yingling we have probably the 2 top crews in the world by quite a margin (can't believe Contender443 forgot Ed Wright).

The selection did seem a bit confused when it was said Rogers and Glanfield had the experience, but same arguement was not used for Draper and Hiscocks. However whilst some under performed, others, notabley Iain and Bart overperformed.

Team GBR were not the only one's to have under achievers. Slingsby didn't even make the medal race in the Laser and he stuffed Goodi at the Europeans.

To take ensure more medals I guess we need more crews that can dominate a class rather than compete. That may mean earlier selection and more concentration on the chosen ones.

I have to say thought 6 medals is fantastic and I guess will be hard to beat. I'm sure the rest of the world would have something to say about us wanting more medals.


 



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Ooh, I like that.  Always one for a conspiracy, me.
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Conspiracy theory:

OK, so it was the best ever performance by a sailing team post WW2. But it would be embaressing to do better in Beijing than in Weymouth. Was there some deliberate weakness built in?

 
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So to put a different slant on this. What would have happened if we were allowed more than one entry per fleet and scheduled the races so that one person could do more than one event..

Would we have got Gold and Silver in the mens 470? A medal in the 49ers? 3 medals in the Finns (Percy, Ainslie and Simpson)? Gold and Silver in the Yingling by allowing Shirley to go.

I think what we are saying is that we left a lot of talent at home.
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You're quite right, funny how the memory plays tricks!
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