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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Cheers Dermot. Looking forward to seeing you in the Shadow when it arrives.
Spent a lot of time when rigging to convert from 2-up to 1-up racer. Not really needed as the downhaul was left at absolute minimum all weekend. First race got a great start and was able to tack accross the entire fleet to be 3rd at the top mark. Lost time downwind all race trying to decide where to put myself for best boat speed. Eventually concluded that by the mast, weather-side was best but by then too late. Second race. Had sailed to a discreet area to undo harness leg straps, take a quick dip and get rid of some excess Lucozade. Thus missed the entire starting sequence and crossed the line almost a minute late. Caught up well but then stuffed a tack while threading two Tigers and ended in irons for about another minute. Lets move on. Third race. Good start at pin end of line. Tacked early and dipped one starboarder but was otherwise clear. A very fluky windshift then meant I was on the layline for the top mark and I was first at that point. Should have gybed straight away but didn't. Still had good speed as the wind died even further and was still in it at the bottom mark. Shortened course so only one lap. My best race. I think most were impressed with the boat's speed and I know I sailed my heart out. But what has possibly put the kibosh on me buying one is finding out its cat-rig handicap. 0.98 is harsh, very harsh. I could compete at 1.02 if I worked on it and I think that 1.03 is OK. The very still conditions work against the flat bottom of the hulls and I might be faster in average and above winds when the boat could start planing. On a positive note, bystanders thought mine was the sexiest looking cat there with its grey hulls. The hardest thing about the weekend was adapting my H59 road trailer, with its deep cups to take a flat bottomed boat. Thanks again to Pete for lending me the boat and Adrian for lending me his 2yr old Discovery for getting the boat down there ( I own the only 3 yr old Honda Accord diesel that has ever broken down - hope to get it back today now that they have rebuilt the engine!). |
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Dermot M ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 06 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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English Dave sailed his first event on a Stealth - conditions were light and dodgy, but he had very good boat speed. Over to you Dave
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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one and 2 up flexability is the key to F16 ing.
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Shadowman ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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Dave Try a Shadow before you buy! |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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OK, with Neil struck down with gut rot I needed a single hander for Sunday and sweet-talked Pete and Dee into sailing my Hurricane while I took the Stealth. I jury rigged extra blocks for the spinni sheets and stiffened the tiller with a garden stake from B&Q. I taped up one set of trapese lines and adjusted the other to keep me at the right height to the boat. Spanner adjustment and downhaul were still useless but I figured I'd manage. As I launched a huge squall blew through and racing was postponed while I blasted back and forth. The wind then died almost completely for a race in a drifter and then got back up to a decent F3-4 as I crossed the finished. So I then went for a blast. Like it, like it a lot! Like most lightwight boats you have to be on the wire to get the beast working properly. But once the kite was up and me on the wire the Stealth was fast and controllable. I didn't need to be too far aft to keep the nose out either. The only negative thing was that having lead the race for the first two marks (5 kts/F1) which were downwind, I then got mullered upwind. Partly because I was down to just the one sail so my power to weight ratio was not so good, and also because I suspect the the flat hull profile makes it a bit sticky in the really light stuff. But yes, if I had to sail alone, I can't think of a better cat for the job. However, I'm happy enough with my Hurri for the time being. |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Dave A lot has changed on my boat setup since that picture was taken! I need to take some more pics, but will not be at the club for a couple of weeks as I am off to throw myself down mountains at great speed with planks on my feet. yes, in that pic, red is Spi halyard. mast spanner setup has changed as well, as I now have a setup similar to the Shadow for fine tune and a setup to allow me to let it all off for downwind. My boat is optimised for single handing. |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Thanks Scooby. Both your ratchets are further aft than on the one I sailed. Also your spanner is at mast-foot whereas "mine" (don't get any ideas - I haven't got the money or the inclination at the mo) is just below the boom. There's something different about the downhaul as well - I'll compare you photo with the boat next time I am at the club - which will be this afternoon to put an extra rope round my Hurri - storms are coming to NI.
Red line is spinnaker halyard? PM me with more pics if convenient. This boat is essentially set up as a double hander and the owner far prefers his Spitfire so doesn't spend much time on tuning the Stealth. |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Dave, I have 2 ratchamatics on each hull and run the Spi thru both of them: 180 defree turn thru the aft one, then about 150deg thru the forward one and then to hand. I've taken the springs off since this picture was taken. As for plates, I leave mine fully down to about 12 kts and then bring them up a little as the wind goes up. But I do have monster long plates!!! Edited by Scooby_simon |
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English Dave ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 06 Location: Northern Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 682 |
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Thanks for feedback. I have no current intention of moving on from a 5.9SX. However, the appeal of a SH with kite is obvious. I have an arrangement with the boat's owners that the next time my crew cannot sail and the wind isn't too great (they have an all-up weight of 17/18 stones so they're not going to sail a H59 in 20kts) we'll swap and they can take my Hurri. As it's not my boat the mods I can do are limited and will have to be quick and reversable. The trapese adjustment on my Hurri is as per a Tiger (those that I have seen), ie 2:1 and elasticated. If I could put that on the Stealth and get the tiller stiffened (the rubber UJ's I can live with) then things will be OK. Scooby, where do you mount your second set of spinnaker blocks? The auto-ratchets are at the ends of the main beam. And what about the boards? Apparently JP says its alright to leave them down at all times but I felt they were tripping the boat a bit downhill. |
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catmandoo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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time for another ex 5.9 sailor to come out !
I sailed 5.9's for about 10 yrs had 3 off them 171, 413 ,455 , guess how many tiller pins I've snapped ??? loads and you get zilch warning ,
Was sceptical myself when I got my stealth (ran outa crews for two man cats ) about the uj's on tiller bar , but they work a treat , even show signs of failure as when used on tiller extensions and plenty opportunity to change before failure and I fitted new ones with safety retaining cords moulded in when it came time to change . other advantage is you can fall like a haddock on your tiller bar whilst stumblin about on wavey tacks without bending it , shock taken by the rubber and carbon doesn't take a bend , after two seasons I checked my rudder alignement and still spot on , 5.9 you had to check an resett regularily . Downhauls can be easily upgraded as a 5.9 sailor they were changed twice in my time , used to take two to pull it on with an ole stiff mast . I loved my 5.9s and think they are great boats and would recommend to anyone wanting a blast two up without selling a kidney , but if you have to go solo and want a shade of fun a stealth is a good place to be .
after sailing the 5.9sx i had to sail with a kite , not least being xxl In need of a bit more hp to get downhill .
bit of planning before dropping the chute makes it easy and unless too windy can even be done rounding marks with your third hand
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