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    Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 3:09pm

You didn't get the angles right. - It's always been dodgy to approach a windward mark right on the port layline and nowadays it's extremely inadvisable.

If however you'd tacked 2  -3 boatlengths earlier, you'd have approached 2 - 3 boatlengths below the mark. That would have been (comparitively) safe when subsequently tacking in front of any starboard boats and you'd have nailed the overstanding port tacker.
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But the pies help upwind

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Originally posted by tornado435

I was just nervous about me not knowing and T boning one of them. Don't think they would be overly happy as it is the qualifiers for next years worlds. But I was at the windward mark at the same time as them. Must keep stop eating the pies, pity I got left for dust downwind

 
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I was just nervous about me not knowing and T boning one of them. Don't think they would be overly happy as it is the qualifiers for next years worlds. But I was at the windward mark at the same time as them. Must keep eating the pies, pity I got left for dust downwind
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I've done this a couple of times when it's windy as I get buried easily on a large ACH start but am quick upwind and very quick when freed off a little. My tactic is to overstand to the left to get clear air and reach down over the whole fleet taking my chances on a gap in the starboard layline procession. Won on Sunday doing this!
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Originally posted by tornado435

Happened to me on saturday. Scary when it's tornado's and you've also got a row of Starboard boats coming into the mark. Still it was made a lot better by the fact that the Starboard boats were Leigh Macmillan and Rob Wilson.

 

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Happened to me on saturday. Scary when it's tornado's and you've also got a row of Starboard boats coming into the mark. Still it was made a lot better by the fact that the Starboard boats were Leigh Macmillan and Rob Wilson.
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Fair enough Stefan! Though it would have been difficult on this particular course to do anything else. Luckily, it is a situation that comes up rarely.
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Originally posted by Rupert

it would seem that I was being punished for getting the angles right?

No, you are being punished for approaching a port-hand windward mark on port, because it puts a windward boat on the inside.
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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

The rules don't distinguish between windward marks and other marks.

Yes they do, but not in the situation described. Rule 18 does not apply between boats on opposite tacks at a windward mark. Since both boats were on port here, rule 18 does apply and the windward boat was entitled to room.

When This Rule Applies

Rule 18 applies when boats are about to round or pass a mark they are

required to leave on the same side, or an obstruction on the same side,

until they have passed it. However, it does not apply

(a) at a starting mark surrounded by navigable water or at its anchor

line from the time the boats are approaching them to start until

they have passed them, or

(b) while the boats are on opposite tacks, either on a beat to windward

or when the proper course for one of them, but not both, to

round or pass the mark or obstruction is to tack.

 
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