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    Posted: 17 Sep 06 at 11:27am
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

IMO we have a lot more in common with the Asym boys now that the rest of the 1/2 boat sailors.

Very good point Simon, when we were learning to sail skiffs it was the cat sailors that we turned to for advice at the club. Seemed to work very well sailing the boats applying cat skills instead of trying to get round the cans as if we were sailing a 505. 
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Originally posted by markp

This is the particular problem.  The Welsh Sailing Games is for any type of monohull from J105's to Junior Classes. Their flyer advertises Yacht Classes  as IRC, Sportsboats,J80 and New for 2006-PY fleet. Dinghy Class=Laser, Asymmetric, Monohull Handicap Junior Classes and Classes for 6 or more.
The sponsors logo is "Taking Sailing Forward In Wales" Maybe I will go and play with model boats as this is not exactly "sailing for all".
 

Then sail in the Asym class(for those with kites), it does not say "Asym 1/2 boats " !

Bit cheeky of them refusing to let you sail, I can undertand them not wanting to run a stary / seperate prises for only 6 boats, but excluding you from the event is not on.   

We spoke to the Asym classes at Grafham about their Slalom event they do in the Autumn and some of the Cats joined in.  IMO we have a lot more in common with the Asym boys now that the rest of the 1/2 boat sailors.

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Originally posted by markp

This is the particular problem.  The Welsh Sailing Games is for any type of monohull from J105's to Junior Classes. Their flyer advertises Yacht Classes  as IRC, Sportsboats,J80 and New for 2006-PY fleet. Dinghy Class=Laser, Asymmetric, Monohull Handicap Junior Classes and Classes for 6 or more.
The sponsors logo is "Taking Sailing Forward In Wales" Maybe I will go and play with model boats as this is not exactly "sailing for all".

And after all the work Don Finlay has put in over the years

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This is the particular problem.  The Welsh Sailing Games is for any type of monohull from J105's to Junior Classes. Their flyer advertises Yacht Classes  as IRC, Sportsboats,J80 and New for 2006-PY fleet. Dinghy Class=Laser, Asymmetric, Monohull Handicap Junior Classes and Classes for 6 or more.
The sponsors logo is "Taking Sailing Forward In Wales" Maybe I will go and play with model boats as this is not exactly "sailing for all".
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Does excluding a class which only turned out 6 boats last time really need that much explaining?

So do they have keelboat classes? Paralympic classes? Model boat classes? I bet there are other parts of the sport excluded too.

 

 

 
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Isn't this something for the magazine to investigate?

Surely the WYA would have to explain their decision to the sailing public?
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Originally posted by s_squirrel

How many entries were there in the Cat fleet at last years Games?

Unfortunately, I can only find 05  results and  six  cats  paid up and participated. This event should hace been run in North Wales last year as it is supposed to alternate between the North and South but I can't remember if it was.
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The guys at WYA aren't mad - they will want all the entreis they can, providing it justifies the expense. How many entries were there in the Cat fleet at last years Games?
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Originally posted by markp

Why the WYA and for that matter the RYA cann't understand that we are are still "sailors" even though we prefer two hulls is beyond me.  Their excuses that we need more water  or our boat handling isn't good enough is just totally wrong. I bet that Cats have less collisions on the race course than any other mono hull fleet (Yachts or Dinghies) because we have total respect for our actions and other competitors.  Unfortunately, because the piers within the governing bodies don't want to broadcast this fact or have no inclination to understand  Cat sailing we will always remain second best. 

 

I think a fair number tof the Skiffies (49er's 12's cherubs etc) feel the same way.  It's not just us.  When I see people who openly don't like cats(Or skiffs), I just laugh at them, it is their fault if they have closed minds and miss out on all the fun !
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Why the WYA and for that matter the RYA cann't understand that we are are still "sailors" even though we prefer two hulls is beyond me.  Their excuses that we need more water  or our boat handling isn't good enough is just totally wrong. I bet that Cats have less collisions on the race course than any other mono hull fleet (Yachts or Dinghies) because we have total respect for our actions and other competitors.  Unfortunately, because the piers within the governing bodies don't want to broadcast this fact or have no inclination to understand  Cat sailing we will always remain second best. 
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