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westsystemint ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Just for future reference or users, actually repairing fibreglass delamination really isn't something you should wish you hadn't started! There's some really helpful stuff online, for example: http://www.epoxycraft.com/a-solid-repair-for-fibreglass-delamination/
A quick google search can really help. In particular specialist magazines like epoxycraft/epoxyworks - always worth checking out as a resource.
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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...which would mean lumping all that 12ft goodness into the same catagory as the topaz, feva, and laser... Cant see it unfortunately. |
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Webmuppet ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 06 Location: Suffolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 534 |
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I wouldn't suggest that a 'rotomoulded' Topaz Uno Race is any kind of a substitute for a Laser when it comes to racing, however the Topaz is designed as a very durable boat for beginners. We own one so that my wife, who's a quite new to sailing can sail it with the standard rig, meanwhile I sail it with the race sail and I'm having a great deal of fun competing at club level. We can also add the jib and sail it with my five year old as crew. The Laser is a great boat, it would probably be far more appropriate to my club racing, however there's always an element of compromise to choosing a boat and in my case it has to accomodate the needs of my wife, daughter and myself. I'm not in any way suggesting that Kevin H ought not to consider other boats as his choice is going to have to be a compromise just like my own situation. There's always an unhelpful element on this forum who are overly quick to criticise everyone elses choice of craft (it's only a matter of time before somebody suggests a Cherub ?! |
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Kevin H ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 19 Apr 06 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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Don't know what a Mirror is. The Vareo is fiberglass. We have already tested the Escape. We found the design flaw (apparently some stress point at the base of the mast). We have a half dozen Bravos (rotomolded Hobie cat), and from a maintenance standpoint, they have been outstanding. On the other hand, we completely destroy a quarter of our Laser fleet every year. That means we buy 4-5 old Lasers every year. Typical problems include: foot through cockpit floor, massive delamination, hull/deck joint separation, etc. In other words, all our problems with Lasers are because of fragile hulls. I am comparing Fevas and Topazes to Lasers because the Laser is our baseline for comparison, and the Feva and Topaz are the biggest single-sail rotomolded boats I can find anywhere in the world. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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stick with the Laser unless you really have to make a change - nothing
else offers those trained the opportunity to go race at their local
clubs and find others there already (can't imagine there are many
Vareo's or Topaz in the US?), Laser is international and there's tons
of tuning, racing and other tips all over the place. Want to make
your Laser's last longer? here's a few tips:
1. go for a low friction insert at the bottom of the mast slot and wash them out regularly 2. apply duck tape (or fabric tape) around the gunwhale edge, bow and transom (helps stop cracking in collisions and doesn't look too bad) 3. avoid nice, expensive Harken block setups on training boats, a) they "walk" without notice, and b) you'll feel bad when they get trashed and have to be replaced 4. Fit a bigger rudder bolt 5. If you get an old boat, follow the tried & trusted Ed Baird advice and take off all the fittings before replacing with good dollops of sealant, and where you can reach (if inspection ports have been cut), decent backing washers and nuts ... if you're determined to change, go for a Vareo, no one interested in taking up or improving (their) sailing deserves to have the Topaz xxxxxx foistered upon them |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The Mirror isn't meant to be a childrens' boat... |
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Bruce Starbuck ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 124 |
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Think long and hard before ditching the Lasers in favour of a rotomoulded boat if durability is what you're after. You still have to look after a rotomoulded boat! With a glassfibre boat, you can do repairs yourselves, and it sounds like from a sailing point of view, the laser is perfect. Be careful you don't compromise on the sailing performance just to satisfy your criteria for a rotomoulded boat, which in my opinion won't mean a whole lot less maintenance.
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5420 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 622 |
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and i do not think you can relly call that vareo the feves bigger brother that the vishon i think as they are for to diffrent thing vareo one man fast with out a trap racing
feve to get young people in to sailing and as a 2 man racig boat for kids |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Aren't the Feva and Topaz essentially childrens boats? The Feva in particular seems to be a modern Mirror. The (full rig) Laser is for larger people. I'm suprised you are comparing Fevas to Lasers, they seem to be aimed at different people. If you're in the US, what about an Escape? |
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Patrick ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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I recently had a similiar dilema, find a single handed dingy, larger and mare capable than a laser but equally something that a rather average sailor could be challenged by. Having considered all of the boats mentioned I elected for a RS VAREO, the Fevas (slightly bigger) brother. It meets your requirement for I single sail but for training it is easy to get 2 (or 3) people in and allows for growth with a 'fun' sail up through the 'comp' sail and spinnaker. It is also light enough for 1 person to haul out of the water!
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