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    Posted: 17 Jun 23 at 12:04am
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Ah I see, thank you. I was trying to find a tool in the forum.
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I did the drawing from a blank page in a vector drawing package (Corel Draw).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Old bloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 23 at 8:02am
Thank you Jim, that's exactly it. We have a lot of these obstructions, and a 45'yacht certainly does require a significant alteration of course, but I had never come across this scenario before.
Generally the port gybe boat would have realised he was getting into a difficult situation and avoided it. I think he was asleep rather than hatching a cunning plan.
Ps, how did you do the drawing?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 23 at 8:21pm
Pretty much it, but my hypothetical thinking was that their courses were a little more parallel so it felt a little less of a deviation 

It looks pretty obvious that P has to make a substantial change to avoid the obstruction on your diagram


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Something like this?

Yes, starboard must give room for port to pass the obstruction, but the second they clear the obstruction port needs to get the hell out of it without clouting starboard with her boom if she gybes. I wouldn't like to be port.

Don't forget an obstruction is an obstruction, be it 5 feet or 5 miles away. The actual track of the boats is irrelevant to whether its an obstruction or not. It's just that if it's 5 miles away there aren't any problems passing it!

I'm a bit unsure of what room port is entitled to. She is entitled to enough room to comply with all her obligations under part 2 rules. That includes, presumably, room to gybe if she must gybe to keep clear of Stbd. However as soon as they are past the obstruction AFAICS port has no entitlement to room, but she has to keep clear.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 23 at 5:51pm
Yeah exactly. It looks like Port would be entitled to the room at the obstruction as long as the overlap was established with enough time for Starboard and the boats to leeward of Starboard to adjust accordingly to allow the room and the course change for Port to be substantial.

I have a feeling gybing for the moored boat would count as substantial. But would having to do that for a large cylinder buoy (or 2) be the same? If they were both on Starboard and the windward boat only had to head up a little more to windward (eg. a boat length) be substantial?  


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Seems simple enough, if they are overlapped he's entitled to room so A has to give it.

Just to expand a little further though, if the cruiser was lying head to wind they would be approaching the bow so, unless a very big boat if the dinghies were more than a boat length or two apart it would be hard to argue it actually was an obstruction by the definition (is this what you are getting at CR?). If it's lying across the wind due to an opposing tide then it's a different matter though? That diagram you hinted at would be a huge help  Smile


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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 23 at 5:22pm
What constitutes a substantial course change? 2 boats going near dead downwind and avoiding the cruiser (i'm assuming is wind bound) wouldn't require much change in course to avoid. 
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Same leg of the course,both running almost parallel but converging
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