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    Posted: 03 Jul 20 at 8:37pm
Often it's not cat speed, its the inability to turn corners. I can see why a small lake wouldn't want cats, but I'd expect people to be nice about it.
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You'd be very welcome at Draycote with a Dart 15. Time for a plug!
 I sail there with one, as well as a Unicorn cat and a Phantom dinghy. We have 20+ catamarans mostly Dart 15's as they suit our 650 acres and round the cans club racing well. We race in the general handicap fleet and do OK if the breeze is up. 
However we nominally allow any cats up to 18 feet, single trapeze and PY greater than 800, although that is flexible as Shadow/Shadow X is also allowed. Bigger and faster cats, Tornado, Hurricane, Formula 18 etc are deliberately excluded as it is felt they are too much for our water.
At the moment, coming out of lockdown, we are casual sailing / informal racing only. However we continue to accept new members. Drop me a PM if you want to come and have a look.
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Think they might let certain other cats in too these days . It’s many times larger than 100 acres too lol 
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Draycote has Dart 15 
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Interestingly I approached a 110 acre lake S.C. the other day and asked about membership. First chap I spoke to was very “we’re a serious racing club, no point joining if you’re not going to race, has to be a fleet boat etc...”. I mentioned I was an RYA Dinghy Instructor / Powerboat Instructor and used to be a moderately good racer, and had a cat. End of that conversation. Someone else was much more amiable and said it was a PY issue. I went back to him a couple of days ago and mentioned I’d found a Dart 15 (no PY issue and shorter than many boats there and would be willing to let club members use it, to try. The response was the club doesn’t like “cats”. So I get issues of size and to a point PY, but a 110 lake seems adequately large. I also understand that fleet racing is important. However I don’t have £3000 or so to splash (ahem) on a fleet boat that doesn’t really meet my needs. There a heck of a lot of different boats at the club, even a cruiser. Is there a general feeling that cats aren’t liked on inland waters (understand the owning water companies have certain rules etc), or do I sound like a whingeing did? As a club I’d hope to encourage people onto the water, especially those keen to help and bringing younger people into sailing. The club even has a cruising section! Maybe I should have just had a shower that morning. So if anyone knows of a club in the midlands area that takes small catamarans (14-16 feet), I’d be very grateful for any help. Cheers.
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I love the Spice, it's a twin trapeze boat a 'normal' sailor can sail (it shares the Buzz hull but with a slightly different deck moulding and roughly 50% more rag). Its great fun but without a regular partnership pretty much impossible to sail to it's handicap.

The Vago doesn't seem to get much love but it's a poly boat and IME they are never as nice to sail as a similar GRP boat. 


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Loved crewing the Buzz in the mid/late 90s.

Hard work compared to the other boats I was sailing at the time,, and the boat a bit tea tray like, but the extra weight didn't seem to affect the fun we had.
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I have a Spice which has too much sail to be comfortable solo in much more than F2 so pretty limited to when I can sail it on my own (which is partly why I have the Blaze), the Buzz will be better in that respect but is a pretty sturdy beast off the water. The L3k is lighter, has a more manageable rig and is probably a better boat for sailing singlehanded but is a bit small for two big-ish guys (so is the Buzz but it's wider higher volume hull is probably a better weight carrier).
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Hi, OP, I’m in exactly the same boat (ahem). I have a Dart 18 in Anglesey but every club I go to within an hour of where I am based wont take it. Therefore I’m weighing up the Vago /Buzz question. I also will be taking a light weight crew with me every now and again. I also like a trapeze boat, for whatever reason. The Vago and Buzz seem to take a literal and verbal hammering. I used to sail a 470 which I loved but as a helm and didn’t solo. A friend who sailed pretty much all types to a high standard recommended a Laser / V 3000. Any thoughts? Would love to spend more but can’t justify it, so £1500 budget. Cheers
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 20 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by JimC

I think in my experience its only catamaran sailors who have this thing about it being a lesser form of sailing.

With good reason, if that is actually the case. Given the history. (5min 20sec)

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