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    Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 5:24pm
Had a few more silly ideas, will let them percolate before considering posting.

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My Sprint sail has battens but most of them are similar to the Toppers.
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Originally posted by 423zero

The Sprint is a doddle to get in, you can actually sink the back half of boat, you can almost swim onto boat.
Would be easy to fit buoyancy under seats.

Have watched a few Minisail videos and looked at the class rule. The rule is very open and would allow development of such a seat. The rig would also allow foot roller reefing around the mast, Topper style. 
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Originally posted by Dougaldog

well Tink, I examined this issue in some detail a while back..... cast your eye over https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/188538/Silver-Dream-Racer

Dinghy sailing is quite remarkable in the fact that it can be one of the most 'un-ageist' of participation sports. Before posting, I reread my article and with another 3 years now 'on the clock' I'd not change much.....in terms of single handers recoverability out afloat I would say was now the must crucial aspect - that and ease of moving about on shore. I can still hike, waggle a tiller and pull in the mainsheet, so performance sailing is still possible IF.... you can get someone fit and nimble to do the leaping around in the front of the boat.
Still in reflective mode - it is sad that out of  the three boats I name checked as being better for the older sailor, the Alto, Icon and H2, only the singlehander is a going concern. I was RO for their Nationals again this year (second year in a row.....a nice class that are a joy to manage) and even in the difficult going, they were still recoverable by 'older' sailors - as in older than me and I'm old!
Bottom line - chose the right boat/boat+crew and there is not a lot to stop you sailing on into the 70s!

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Thanks Dougal, missed this first time around but I have read your excellent article 
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Originally posted by JimC

Tink's concept.
The challenge will be fore and aft trim. Sliding seat back and forward is a pain in the neck. People have produced systems that slide under load, but horribly expensive (think four high load ball bearing mainsheet traveller cars as the foundation). With an IC the canoe stern tends to mean it squats at speed, which reduces the need for fore and aft trim. You could get the same affect with aft rocker, but its a horrible destroyer of speed.
It might be worth considering folding winglets which flopped into the boat when on her side. If my PlusPlus were still about it might be possible to do an experiment, but the winglets would need to be narrow enough that you could get in the boat between them, and mine nearly met in the middle.
I never found moving the seat on my IC much of a chore. It didn’t move under load but was easy to stand up on the gunwale, feed wide apart and pull a rope. That moved it backwards and the main sheet pulled it forward. The track was just jib track with solid Delrin sliders

A mate has a Toy and like Minisail the carriage is fixed. He says this isn’t an issue so perhaps a scow hull would be better and use a fixed seat. 

I was thinking of folding wings on the drive to the cub today, was trying to figure out how to stop them folding in violently. 

The thwart is the big one for me, watching guys kneeling halfway around the course today, not something for an 80%er
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Tink's concept.
The challenge will be fore and aft trim. Sliding seat back and forward is a pain in the neck. People have produced systems that slide under load, but horribly expensive (think four high load ball bearing mainsheet traveller cars as the foundation). With an IC the canoe stern tends to mean it squats at speed, which reduces the need for fore and aft trim. You could get the same effect with aft rocker, but its a horrible destroyer of speed.
It might be worth considering folding winglets which flopped into the boat when on her side. If my PlusPlus were still about it might be possible to do an experiment, but the winglets would need to be narrow enough that you could get in the boat between them, and mine nearly met in the middle.

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I had to give up sailing my Europe like Int Moth because it was too easy to right. I couldn't climb on an inverted hull because nothing grippable was within reach. I couldn't climb on the board because the boat righted itself before I got on it, and I couldn't get back in with the boat upright because the weight of the rig capsized the boat on top of me. The solution would have been to lose a few pounds, but somehow I couldn't manage that either...
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The easiest boat to right and get back on board that I've ever sailed is the Europe. Can pull it upright with one hand and pretty much float back in.

Just need to be flexible enough to get under the boom tacking!
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Originally posted by tink

Originally posted by Rupert

If assuming a boat will capsize,that photo looks better than most. The central buoyancy doing its job well.

Agree with that, a 37 plus inch inside leg is tall order mind 

I'm a short4rse and have no difficulty climbing from the board over the side when righting the Spice which s only 5cm narrower than the H2. I have had a lot of practice though  Embarrassed
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The Sprint is a doddle to get in, you can actually sink the back half of boat, you can almost swim onto boat.
Would be easy to fit buoyancy under seats.
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