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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Absolutely right. Although I believe it can record finish times which can then be downloaded into a PC and sail numbers attached, but that sounds like a hassle so we don't use it like that. For finishing we simple write a list of sail numbers against times and use a program on a PC to work out corrected times and finishing positions.
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ColH ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 242 |
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Had a quick look at it, thanks, and it seems to be mainly start timing as opposed to recording sail numbers/lap times. Is that a fair assessment? Col
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i program plc's as a big part of my job and i can tell you that the timming is very accurate i'm not sure how accurate off the top of my head though
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ColH ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 242 |
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Out of interest, anyone know of commercially-available systems along those lines? Col |
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Phat Bouy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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and if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't use m1cro$oft
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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Firstly on averge over the 2 - 3 hours a PC clock will be running it will not be that inaccurate. At any specific time there may be greater inaccuracies because of interrupts/disk activities etc but this is still probably less than human inaccuracies with a stop watch provided the PC is just carrying out the timing task. There are also some fairly simple ways to improve timing accuracy if you wish.
Secondly if my memory is correct the square root of 2 is irrational and therefore you will get rounding errors in this type of calculation when done on a PC. Although many applications can handle something this simple (ie Excel, MS's Calculator) If you want to carryout accurate maths on a PC with lots of significant digits you need to be more sophisticated and use specially written modules to overcome the limits of the internal PC architecture. Really you're nit picking who cares about 0.2 seconds compared to errors of 20 or 30 seconds and who's worried about an error of 0.00000000001% in the calculations (this is smaller than rounding errors on pocket calculators caused by having only 8 or 12 digits in the display. Any half decent real-time programmer could write you something that was indistinguishable from the human with stop watch and fog horn. PCs have been doing data aquisition at KHz for years 1/1000 second and I expect they are now capable of MHz 1/1,000,000 second. Garry - Ex control and instrumentation engineer. Edited by Garry |
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Phat Bouy ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 168 |
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To clarify a little more, what constitues a second on a PC clock is rarely the same each time. Machines now run a rate of several Giggle Hurts (big numbers) ie calculations per second (small number). If the processor runs at a frequency that is a harmonic of mains power then other discrepancies can kick in. Not withstanding that, the inbuilt maths co-processor also has errors (just gotta lurve computers...) get the sq root of 2 (1.4142 ....) then square it, answer = 1.99999... Gotta stop now, terrible whiff of sandals ![]() |
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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I totally agree pursuit races are much easier to start if you've done your prepartion. Finishing is much more of an issue. However if you motor dead down wind from the windward mark you can get a pretty good idea of the finishing order.
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But unless you have LOTS of classes I don't see the need for rounding. We only have one hoot for each start and you are expected to use your own watch to give you the preparatory etc. It's just someone sitting in a box pressing a button when the clock reads the same number as what's on a sheet. If anything it's easier (on the day) than a normal 3 handicap class start. I alway thought the tricky bit was the finish - especially for those on an upwind leg. |
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