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    Posted: 20 May 19 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by tink


The brilliant thing about the Optimist is that it takes the kids from beginners to a very high and competitive level.

That's a new definition of brilliant I am unfamiliar with. Having 16 year olds racing in Optimists is rather like having them race tricycles.
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Originally posted by GarethT

but then you'd lose part of the key benefit the low level club laser sailor has got from the olympic status - the flow down of decent secondhand kit.
if we are talking about a Finn or a Star I’d take your point but really, has there been any “flow down” of decent secondhand kit to club L*ser sailors ? Unless there is a L*ser style debacle with hulls and foils from different factories being very <allegedly> different from each other (RS beware, beware), then I doubt this really makes any difference, certainly any more than I have ever been able to buy Usains old Nike’s or Sir Chris’ track bike cast offs.
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Originally posted by JimC

That rather demonstrates (one of the many) problems with the Optimist more than anything else. An adjustable mast on an entry level kids boat is ludicrous.
The brilliant thing about the Optimist is that it takes the kids from beginners to a very high and competitive level. Understanding the balance of any boat is key to getting it going fast surely it is good that kids understand this early on. Most entry Optimist are roto moulded (optibats etc) and don’t have rake adjustment 
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but then you'd lose part of the key benefit the low level club laser sailor has got from the olympic status - the flow down of decent secondhand kit.
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IMO sailing will be gone from the games within 2 or 3 cycles; the cost to put the regatta on; venue, equipment, staffing, geographic footprint, promotion, ticketing, security.... versus the returns from actually staging it (versus other non-Olympic sports advertisers will be very arguably more interested in backing and cost much less to stage in smaller arenas.

RS can have a punt at getting their boat into the Olympic circus but it might well end up being 'careful what you wish for' .  

For my 3p worth, if they do tilt at glory then the best approach would be to create a specific Olympic mens and womens mast+sail package to keep the club 5, 7 and 9 separate.  Economies of scale in all other areas will still work to everyone's advantage but club handicaps won't be hammered by 'ultras' winning events and Olympic regs can stay nice and tight on the supply package to avoid cheating without having to overly restrict or get club sailors into measurement etc.  No swapping mid regatta either!


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Originally posted by CT249

Thanks.

Still puzzled about the D Zero's ranking, given the applause it has here and the way it looks. On the other hand, it would not be the first boat to over-do the fine bow idea.

If an inland numpty like me can get a D-Zero round the course in big waves then trust me it is not an issue.
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Originally posted by JohnJack

Which Laser rigs do you think we will see in 2024? (do you think the new rigs being rumoured had any bearing on the decision (despite not being trialled))


Given that ILCA have publicly stated these rigs will not replace the current rigs then that is unlikely.

Plus there is still the question of the ARC vs the C rigs as well...
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Which Laser rigs do you think we will see in 2024? (do you think the new rigs being rumoured had any bearing on the decision (despite not being trialled))
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I think you have to differentiate between movable rake (Merlin, Scorpion) and fixed rake (Solo, OK, Europe) but for both I don't see the issue with it. In fact doesn't it increase the weight range of a boat? A movable rake puts more workload on the sailor esp in a single handed but the folk you get at Olympic level are pretty good
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I think the ease of replacement of bearing is the bigger thing. Prolongs life of boat.
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