Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
![]() |
Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
![]() |
List classes of boat for sale |
GB Sailing Challenge - still confused |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 123 9> |
Author | |
Simon Lovesey ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 05 Dec 18 at 10:00am |
For those looking to find out more about the Great Sailing Challenge, Andy Rice and I will be hosting a webinar tonight (19.00)
There is the chance to ask questions, both live and in advance.
|
|
www.sailracer.org
Online Sailing Results, GPS Tracking & Event Management |
|
![]() |
|
Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
certainly for spectators at the venue and interested parties away from it this form of tracking is good, it could be better, but modern equipment allows for live broadcast on several channels like fb and youtube and along with mobile phones on ribs doing the video bit a half decent live broadcast could be made of these sorts of events and OD events too, requires a small team dedicated to it and signal.
|
|
![]() |
|
Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You must be kidding; fishing on TV is massive with loads of content and channels ... |
|
![]() |
|
Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Agreed sap tracking is way superior. Good laugh for trying to understand why things happened on the course. Costs as much as a mercenary army I expect. Makes no attempt to give everyone a prize for some facet of their race in a modern snowflake manner. Chris 249 is bang on about the ims. Sadly I threw out my early to mid 90s seahorse as part of domestication. Py is the least imperfect way of going non od dinghy racing, any attempts to hop it up just mystify it. Nobody watches this sh*t anyway it’s a sport for participants. Like angling. If you dislike py enough to do it at club or open level then you don’t like sailing enough, and I expect don’t do much of any variety anyhow. Plenty of instances of rating band scrap racing working over 40 pt ranges also, as individual ability usually is a far bigger factor in performance until you get into the top 1 or 2 percentages of the bell curve at national level. |
|
![]() |
|
Mike Holt ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 09 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 58 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The SAP tracking at the 505 Worlds has pretty much every detail you need to work out where you were right or wrong, but would be cost prohibitive for most events I would think.
Edited by Mike Holt - 28 Nov 18 at 3:30am |
|
![]() |
|
Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The issue to confront is that even in IMS yachts, which have speeds that vary much less than dinghies as conditions change, using a handicap that varied according to windspeed and direction is extremely problematic and I think it's been abandoned after many years of intensive effort. They tried doing things like "implied wind" scoring (which was sort of like back calculating what the wind must have been based on the relative performance of the boats), having a powerboat in the middle of the course measuring windspeeds, looking at inputting tides, taking figures from the wind instruments on selected competitors, using predictions from the weather bureau, etc. Basically none of it satisfied people. So the first thing would probably be to read up on old Seahorse magazines and other sources, see what has been tried and why it failed, and then try to work out where dinghies could succeed where yachts with fewer lumps and bumps on their performance profiles, more money and lots of instruments and normally sailed in more open water, failed.
|
|
sailcraftblog.wordpress.com
The history and design of the racing dinghy. |
|
![]() |
|
Guests ![]() Guest Group ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yeah, I can imagine in a class fleet it's not going to tell you anything that wasn't pretty obvious on the water. But implemented well I can see it going some way to giving the feedback on your performance that sailing in a fleet does.
If they had mean wind direction, and tacking angles, then they could tell you how many meters you cut off a beat by tacking on the shifts. And by moving to heat maps plus a handful of selected tracks would make the playback a bit more watchable. I'd go to handicap race, not fussed about results, but if it could give me some analytics on my performance that otherwise I'd only get from sailing in decent sized fleets. Basically if they could get to a nice version of RaceQs I'd much rather that. However, I kind of feel that the type of GPS needed to get the accuracy in telemetry is a bit more costly than what can presently be rolled out. Like... I travel a decent way, and pay a decent amount to have one of these on my boom for the day, regardless of results. |
|
![]() |
|
Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You could just have spotted the hammer/nail interface.....
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 27 Nov 18 at 9:45pm |
|
Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
|
![]() |
|
sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
We had the trackers at the 2000 Nationals. I thought it would be interesting to do some anslysis. But I quickly got bored. Why? Because it soon became apparent that on every leg the boats that gained were the ones that sailed the shortest distance. So what: there is s tracking capability. It’s ok to wAtch love, but if you’re sailing you don’t watch. So that’s not marketable. So it seems to me that this novel handicapping nonsense is a new way to put the tracking capability to work and at some point sailors will be asked to pay. |
|
![]() |
|
Guests ![]() Guest Group ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don’t disagree that there is some potentially interesting post race analytics that can take place if the right data is collected. It seems very ambitious to use it as the basis for a handicap system.
I suppose you could have a probabilistic handicap system. Rather than a single, deterministic, handicap you have a spread (say Laser 1070-1120) with a probability assigned to each value. |
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 123 9> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |