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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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The phrases 'right of way' and 'right-of-way boat' are used in the RRS in a defined sense: The term 'right of way' is often deprecated in discussions about IRPCAS. because, it is said, no vessel under IRPCAS has a 'right' |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Might get exonerated for breaking rule 14, but a boat that breaks a rule with the intention of gaining an advantage breaks rule 2 and should be DNE.
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Hitcher ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
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Possibly technically incorrect? You still break the rule, however as long as there is no damage/injury you are exonerated. And having crashed a lot of boats, both gently and hard, with bumpers, fenders, all over padding, and none, I would advise that it is sometime hard to judge exactly how much damage will result. I have "walked away" from crashes I definitely thought would write off a boat, and also made a hole big enough to climb through that ended up in court. ...I hasten to add that I wasn't driving, we won the protests, etc, etc, never my fault, etc etc, had done everything we reasonably could have done to avoid the collision, etc.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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No. Again its an important distinction. Read the rule again, "shall be exonerated if she breaks this rule". You are never allowed to hit other boats, but if you have right of way and it doesn't cause damage then you don't get penalised. And the damage may be very very minor, it still counts. Other rules talk about serious damage, but not this one. Edited by JimC - 01 Jan 18 at 11:21pm |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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There is an extremely common confusion between right of way and entitlement to room - maybe that's what its about. A boat with mark room may not - and often does not - have right of way, but nevertheless a boat which does have right of way may still have to give room to another boat that is entitled to room. Roughly speaking the part A rules define who has right of way, and the part B and part C rules give limits to what the right of way boat may do. So if someone starts talking about a boat with mark room getting right of way because it has mark room, then that misconception needs to be corrected. |
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snowleopard ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Oct 17 Location: Cornwall Online Status: Offline Posts: 66 |
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I was also surprised to see frequent reference to 'right of way'. On another forum, any mention of that phrase gets flamed by pedants to whom that is sacrilege.
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One hull good, two hulls better.
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snowleopard ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Oct 17 Location: Cornwall Online Status: Offline Posts: 66 |
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I downloaded the 2017-20 rules and was surprised to find that in rule 14 b you are allowed to hit other boats as long as you (a) have right of way and (b) don't cause damage or injury. Hang out a few fenders and go for it!!
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One hull good, two hulls better.
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Hitcher ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 38 |
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To simplify my thoughts...
I think the main general change since I started knowing the rules in the 90's is that it is never ok to do nothing once you think the other boat is not going to avoid you. Avoiding contact even when you think you are right is important. Unfortunately not everyone has got there yet... |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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"Water please" still seems to be understood by everyone!
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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I'd suggest getting the current RRS (download for free).
I think the major changes you'll find on the water are principally in rule 18 (mark rounding) and the discussion here on windward/leeward proper course - compared to the older luffing rules. As always, check out the definitions! Remember to call "mark room" not "water" |
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