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    Posted: 11 Jul 17 at 1:02pm
Jeffers,
He was guest racer, he hadn't even launched.
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Originally posted by Brass

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AP is the race officers' friend, and every RO should be able to run an AP sequence smoothly and quickly.

There's no excuse for letting a clearly improper starting sequence ride.
I appreciate what you are saying there but a lot of club ROs are volunteers. if you got really anal about something like this you would find your volunteer list would shrink considerably and club racing would be in jeopardy.

I don't think expecting competent performance by race officials is 'getting really anal', but my post:
  •  was, to a degree, 'aspirational', rather than suggesting a night of the long knives against all poorly performing volunteer race officers;  and
  • was also intended to make the point that, of all the errors that a race office can make:  poor course selection, untrue lines/legs etc, bungled starting sequences are important ones that should not be let ride.



Of course, we have lost a fair few RO volunteers though through criticism levelled at them by people in the race (even though said critics were doing the same things on their duties over the years). On the whole it works OK and offering assistance with things like course setting and the like is usually well received and pre-empts many problems.
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Rupert,
Didn't notice competitor who race was about was still on bank.

Is that really a reason to recall? 

I know a fair few clubs are a bit lax on the must be afloat before the prep rule (especially when the start line is seconds from the bank) but it is still down to them to make sure they are there.
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Rupert,
Didn't notice competitor who race was about was still on bank.
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Originally posted by Brass

of all the errors that a race office can make:  poor course selection, untrue lines/legs etc,

Given the wind variation on a typical British inland summer's day, if we expected the RO to deliver unbiased lines for the whole of an typical club multi-start sequence, the AP would be worn out in weeks and scarcely a race would get away. You have to tailor things to your own fleet's expectations, but endless line resets and APs rarely go down well. I venture to suggest one of the worst of RC vices, in our conditions, is to submit the fleet to endless restarts.

Its one of the reasons why everyone should take a turn on the committee boat. Fewer people are liable to demand an unachievable perfection if they know it will be demanded of them next week...
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Why the recall?
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I was RO a couple of months ago, I had started race, all in correct sequence, boats away, had to call them back, been going about 2 minutes, abuse level unbelievable, only a club race.
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Originally posted by ClubRacer

in this situation it was the most prestigious race series of the club calendar and it so happened I wasn't going to be competitive due to 1 reason or another and decided I would seek clarification over a few points on here than cause issues within the club. As per the comment about not bringing up issues like this to prevent losing volunteers; where do you draw the line between losing volunteers because they don't wont tolerate criticism or losing competitors because the sailing is sh*t.

To be fair. O don't think jeffers was saying 'don't bring it up':  he was saying 'don't get really anal about it'.  I can agree with that.

I also agree that stating standards, and providing civil feedback and critique is a good way of maintaining or improving standards.

A bit of leadership helps.  At a couple of RO seminars I have run, it's amazing what a good turn up there has been when one of the club flag officers attends.

The whole point of those 3 signals is to indicate how long is left until a start

That's not quite right.  In addition to providing multiple opportunities to synchronise time, the Preparatory signal signals the start of racing, and the One Minute Signal signals the start of the one minute period for I, Z, U and Black flag starts.

otherwise we would only have 1, even if i had have synced my watch at the 5 minute and then inside the 1 minute mark realized the P flag was still up I could still have aborted the start and assumed my watch was wrong. Had it been anything but a P flag you certainly would abandon your start than risking taking a penalty 

What did we rely on before waterproof watches?

All sorts of weird and wonderfully complex signalling systems, with three red flags, falling on consecutive minutes, flashing lights etc etc:  Just boundless opportunities for race committee stuff ups.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Brass

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AP is the race officers' friend, and every RO should be able to run an AP sequence smoothly and quickly.

There's no excuse for letting a clearly improper starting sequence ride.
I appreciate what you are saying there but a lot of club ROs are volunteers. if you got really anal about something like this you would find your volunteer list would shrink considerably and club racing would be in jeopardy.

I don't think expecting competent performance by race officials is 'getting really anal', but my post:
  •  was, to a degree, 'aspirational', rather than suggesting a night of the long knives against all poorly performing volunteer race officers;  and
  • was also intended to make the point that, of all the errors that a race office can make:  poor course selection, untrue lines/legs etc, bungled starting sequences are important ones that should not be let ride.




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What did we rely on before waterproof watches?

Hourglasses, of course. Possibly a little limited in resolution.
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