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    Posted: 02 Mar 17 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

But, unlike sailing, there will be a umpire for any organised tournament, however small/low key. Two people playing an informal game on the municipal courts (or even a 'friendly' game at the Tennis club) is more akin to us just going for a blast about down at the lake when there is no racing.

Not true. You have to be an LTA member to play league tennis, but it is not necessary or common to have an umpire at matches, even/especially junior matches. Unfortunately there are always some kids who take terrible advantage of this, but it teaches a valuable lesson I suppose.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

But, unlike sailing, there will be a umpire for any organised tournament, however small/low key. Two people playing an informal game on the municipal courts (or even a 'friendly' game at the Tennis club) is more akin to us just going for a blast about down at the lake when there is no racing.

or a PY race ... sort of like a competitive pastime rather than a real sporting experience.
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But, unlike sailing, there will be a umpire for any organised tournament, however small/low key. Two people playing an informal game on the municipal courts (or even a 'friendly' game at the Tennis club) is more akin to us just going for a blast about down at the lake when there is no racing.
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Actually I think its almost any sport at amateur level that doesn't involve teams. Don't see many umpires on the Tennis courts in the local rec, or at the Squash courts in the Sports centre for example.
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Smile I knew there had to be one...... However Golf is not a 'sport' I have had any contact with (thankfully).

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Yup, the RRS are generally enforced by the competitors themselves, it's only at large events where jury boats are empowered to enforce the RRS. It may be tho only sport that does this (I can't think of another anyhow).


Golf?
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Yup, the RRS are generally enforced by the competitors themselves, it's only at large events where jury boats are empowered to enforce the RRS. It may be tho only sport that does this (I can't think of another anyhow).
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Originally posted by GML

Originally posted by Brass

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

True but the NOR/SI can't remove the obligation to abide by rule 75.1 can it?
No, NOR/SI cannot change rule 75 (rule 86.1).

But that doesn't impose any obligation on an OA/RC to do anything to enforce rule 75.1.
But if a boat protested another boat for failing to comply with rule 75.1 then a PC would have to hear that protest, and if they found the protest to be valid and that the protested boat had indeed failed to comply with 75.1 then they would have to disqualify it wouldn't they?

Indeed they would.

What sort of evidence do you think a protesting boat might bring to prove that the person who entered another boat was not qualified under rule 75.1, or indeed, who the 'person who entered the boat' was?

Also a potentially interesting debate to be had about whether it is an improper action or omission of the RC or OA to not enforce rule 75.1 if they know that a boat is non-compliant.

You could have a debate about whether a race committee should protest a boat, or whether they should have checked membership before accepting an entry, but that's different from whether it is an 'improper action' not to do so.

See rule 60.

An OA has no status to protest a boat at all, although an OA might direct a RC to take some action (rule 90.1)

A RC may protest a boat (rule 60.2( a )).  This implies that, at it's discretion, a race committee may choose not to protest a boat.
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