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    Posted: 09 Dec 16 at 10:29pm
The bending my mast suffered was usually due to speed of the death rolls it suffered not due to excessive kicker. As for the rivet, well at one time the laser folks used to put a red arrow on the collar to line up with the red arrow on the bottom section which inevitably meant that the higher rivet was in tension
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Originally posted by zippyRN

i do wonder how many of the tales of certain saolors being allowed  untrammeled access to  stock to obtain ' the best'  parts are  exactly that tales ... ....

I have known it happen, in a different class, not Lasers or 400's.
Imagine turning up waving cash, 'I'll take a new boat, but it has to weigh less than X'.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

It would have been very easy to design out the rivet.

I believe a design for a new collar that would achieve this was sent to ILCA and rejected.

It wouldn't have resolved the bending issue though.
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It would have been very easy to design out the rivet.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

It used to be corrosion on the rivet hole and then the mast cracking along the line of it. You put the thing under a lot of tension on that rivet and it was rather unfortunate that it was always the upper one that went, which meant that the jagged edge came out of the collar and ripped the luff tube to add insult to injury, Why they didn't have the upper one at the back, cos that would have negated the issue a little.

Standard practice to keep the single rivet in compression although other thinking was that you should have it at the side.
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i do wonder how many of the tales of certain saolors being allowed  untrammeled access to  stock to obtain ' the best'  parts are  exactly that tales ... 

tht said any  wet layup  boat  will have variation in  weight  and balance ... 
but  not as much as other fibreglass  mouldings / modules in other uses where there was little thought or concenr  paid to  volumes  of materials used  (  sprayed  chopped  roving  + resin guns anyone )
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Originally posted by Rupert

Chris, while you are correct that many of the top sailors won't be selecting gear, there are also documented examples of those who will measure mast rake, weigh topmasts, etc. But the vast majority of Laser sailors aren't in either camp, or even doing local open meetings. They are sailing in their club handicap fleet on a Sunday and on a Wednesday night. Some won't even be aware that the Laser is an Olympic class, let alone that a plastic topmast is now allowed. Be interesting to see the reaction at clubs when the first ones filter down to our level.

Oh yes, there certainly are some sailors who are meticulous about their Lasers. It's just that the claims that you "need" new kit all the time are incorrect. It's probably a bit like the claims that in development classes you need a new boat every year or two - some of the top people get new gear regularly but it's not actually vital.



As the owner of ancient boats, I'm not going to disagree on the "need" front, thats for sure. There is probably a psychological need, mind. I know I sail better with a recently polished hull, for instance, even though it must make next to no difference.

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It used to be corrosion on the rivet hole and then the mast cracking along the line of it. You put the thing under a lot of tension on that rivet and it was rather unfortunate that it was always the upper one that went, which meant that the jagged edge came out of the collar and ripped the luff tube to add insult to injury, Why they didn't have the upper one at the back, cos that would have negated the issue a little.
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But don't the top sections break cos of the rivet weakening it, not the bending?
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Originally posted by Rupert

Chris, while you are correct that many of the top sailors won't be selecting gear, there are also documented examples of those who will measure mast rake, weigh topmasts, etc. But the vast majority of Laser sailors aren't in either camp, or even doing local open meetings. They are sailing in their club handicap fleet on a Sunday and on a Wednesday night. Some won't even be aware that the Laser is an Olympic class, let alone that a plastic topmast is now allowed. Be interesting to see the reaction at clubs when the first ones filter down to our level.

Oh yes, there certainly are some sailors who are meticulous about their Lasers. It's just that the claims that you "need" new kit all the time are incorrect. It's probably a bit like the claims that in development classes you need a new boat every year or two - some of the top people get new gear regularly but it's not actually vital.


Edited by Chris 249 - 08 Dec 16 at 9:48pm
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