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sawman 
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 Topic: Scorpion set-up helpPosted: 31 Oct 16 at 6:31pm |
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I think if you have a look at the classifieds on the scorp website, a few weeks ago there was someone selling a surplus, used cover for about 25 quid
edit: bah - just checked, the item is sold - might be worth posting a wanted ad though, someone might have one lying around somewhere! Edited by sawman - 31 Oct 16 at 6:38pm |
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simon1013
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 9:51am |
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OK, thanks chaps. Glad to hear that the effort I put into getting the rake sorted wasn't wasted as well!!
It's a GRP boat so shouldn't suffer in the short term, but I will save my pennies and try and get hold of (reluctantly) a proper cover I guess.
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patj
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Posted: 31 Oct 16 at 6:41am |
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zippyRN
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Posted: 28 Oct 16 at 12:25pm |
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the forestay of a boat which has a wire luff jib is irrelevant once the boat is rigged, it's there to keep the mast up when there is no jib on the boat ... once rigged the loads are take by the jib luff and halyard.
unfortunately the desire of some sailing schools to simply rig controls means that the atttitude towards rig tension and secondary sail controls being unimportant is given far too much weight ... amazing how boats which struggle upwind are transformed by correct rig tension and secondary sail control use ... |
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Ardea
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Posted: 28 Oct 16 at 12:15pm |
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plus, if it's a wooden boat the cover will save you time and/or money on varnishing, painting and general repairs.
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JimC
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Posted: 28 Oct 16 at 11:17am |
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I think you just have to consider the cover as a running cost. If you don't have a good cover then you have ropes full of slime, fittings full of grot, bird crap under the spreaders and the whole sailing experience deteriorates rapidly. And then start thinking about the extra time and hassle if you have to take the rig off and put it back every time...
You're not buying the cover as an investment in the boat, you're buying it to make your days out sailing better. Edited by JimC - 28 Oct 16 at 11:18am |
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simon1013
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Posted: 28 Oct 16 at 10:33am |
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Just a quick update and thanks to those who responded. The boat is now nicely set up and ready to sail.
I did have to play around a lot with the jibs, I had 4 jibs with the boat which I thought was great but it turned out that they are all slightly different length which meant that only one would give the right rake - all the others were well out of range which I thought was strange. Good news is that with the correct Jib and rake, the forestay tension does drop but nothing like as much as it did when I had it set up before when it was very very loose so that gives me some confidence that it's set up OK. All being well, I am looking forward to getting the hull wet in the next few weeks - can't wait. Just need the weather to warm up a bit :-( What I didn't realise was how much of the rigging was down to personal choice, and there seems to be a myriad of different ways to set things up. For a fiddler like me, that's good because I originally got the impression that the set-up was more rigid. The only remaining issue, which is more of a niggle is that the boom-up cover that I had with the boat is so old, it almost crumbles when you move it. Lots of splits and damage, but given I paid so little for the boat, I am reluctant to spend over twice the cost of the boat on a new cover and second hand covers seem to be like rocking horse poo poo. Anybody got any good ideas of am I going to stuck with lowering the mast and throwing a tarp over between outings?
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 18 Oct 16 at 1:02pm |
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Shackles have a far higher load capacity than similarly sized spring gate carabiner. Jib halliard tension (for example) is pretty high on a racing sailboat. That said my boat has a 40mm ss snaphook on the tail of it's 2-1 wire jib halliard so they must be strong enough (but a 20mm shackle would do the job at 25% of the weight I suppose). Jib luff tension around 300kg according to Loos gauge so less that 150kg at the tail end..... Dyneema halliards with a bobble (or those neat 'soft shackles) is the most elegant solution.
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simon1013
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Posted: 18 Oct 16 at 11:54am |
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Those are all great suggestions, I took loads of photos and was planning on leaving the 'hardware' attached anyway. Would love to learn how to use the Spinaker at some point but that's way in the future at the moment, looks really complicated so I removed most of the ropes etc.
Anyway, I recon throwing a rope round the gooseneck from the lower cringle (is that what it's called?) and rigging up a simple 2:1 downhaul/cunningham should work well with my setup. With that, and checking the rake I don't think the boat is far away and retains the controls I already know from the Mirror. Regarding a 'quick-setup' to get off-blocks quickly, that's a great idea and I have wondered why we use those horrible little shackles when a quick release carabiner would seem to be so much easier with cold hands on the Jib/forestay/halyard and clew to outhaul etc. Any thoughts?
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 18 Oct 16 at 11:15am |
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I'd guess the tack is tied down to the gooseneck and the adjustment is done at the upper cringle, the 'cunningham hole' which is the luff tension or downhaul control.
JimC makes a very good point that, as you seem to have got most the controls rigged and functioning, leave well alone (you don't have to adjust them while sailing) until you know what you'll end up doing with the boat. At the very least don't remove or reposition any fittings.
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 18 Oct 16 at 12:51pm |
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