Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
![]() |
Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
![]() |
List classes of boat for sale |
Average Lap Decaying Breeze |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Author | |
PeterG ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 25 Jul 16 at 10:31am |
When I've done this I've always tried to pick a moment, where possible, when the fast boats have gone through and the slower boats are getting near to completing a lap to shorten course. That way you minimise the time between the first and last boats finishing.
|
|
Peter
Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
|
![]() |
|
cad99uk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 187 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"However we don't necessarily finish the lead boat first, rather we choose a point between groups of boats to hoist the blue flag and begin finishing as boats cross the club line on their laps (it's in the SI). This way the slow boats often finish before the faster ones and there is rarely more than 10 minutes between first finish and last finish."
That is the way to do it. |
|
![]() |
|
patj ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Jul 04 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 643 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
At our club we do average laps and the laps are short anyway on the puddle apart from when an RO sets so-called "Olympic courses" of sausages and triangles or trapezoids and triangles which are just a procession. However we don't necessarily finish the lead boat first, rather we choose a point between groups of boats to hoist the blue flag and begin finishing as boats cross the club line on their laps (it's in the SI). This way the slow boats often finish before the faster ones and there is rarely more than 10 minutes between first finish and last finish. As fastest boat, we usually do at least one more lap than the majority, several of which we have to beat by about 9 minutes in an hour race!
Edited by patj - 25 Jul 16 at 9:01am |
|
![]() |
|
drifter ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 09 Jun 08 Location: Oxfordshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 177 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Set a short lap expecting multiple laps. Always finish the lead boat first, and any lapped boats finish as they cross after lead boat, with arithmetic corrections for number of laps. Minimises differences in actual sailing time, but doing this, at least once a year I've packed up and in the bar before the last boat finishes. For added fun, audibly ring "last orders" at the bar while they drift round...
I find boats about to be lapped approaching the finish sit back and wait to be overtaken, rather than go round again.
|
|
Stewart
|
|
![]() |
|
JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't find that surprising at all. |
|
![]() |
|
DoubleTrouble ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Jul 16 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for all replies. The surprising thing seems to be that there doesn't seem to be anything written down on this by RYA/Sailwave/Clubs etc given the widespread use of Average lap. Agree that it needs to be part of SIs and with clear guidelines for ROs
|
|
![]() |
|
ClubRacer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 210 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
as Kaz said above but I think you would need to make some sort of amendment to your sailing instructions in which it allows the race officer at his discretion to roll back laps if conditions change significantly (this only works if accurate lap times have been taken for every single boat)
This solves any disputes at the end of the race as everyone knowingly takes part with this in mind, obviously it wont stop people kicking up a fuss but in the long run its fairer racing Without anything in writing before the race takes part to then just change peoples finishing times is a rocky road to go down and would certainly piss me off if had I had won, for it to then be changed without any prior notice. I would even debate filling in a protest form
|
|
![]() |
|
KazR ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 28 Aug 15 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would say that for club sailing, counting back to the previous lap is justified if there has been a significant change of conditions that grossly penalise a particular group of boats I.e the wind disappearing and boats being sent on a last lap that takes much longer than anticipated.
After all it is supposed to be fun and relatively fair
|
|
![]() |
|
Guests ![]() Guest Group ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Surely the whole point of average lap racing is that all boats race for roughly the same length of time, and therefore in the same winds.
If all boats do three laps obviously the slow boats will be out longer and if the wind or tide changes that will affect the result. But with average lap racing the objective is to finish all boats at roughly the same time, so that event doesn't arise. The downside is that laps tend to need to be fairly small. |
|
![]() |
|
JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Well, to my mind you're either doing average lap racing or you aren't. If you are then you need to accept that sometimes you'll get funny looking anomalies. If you don't then you need to accept that you'll get even worse anomalies, but they don't look so obvious.
But having the race committee going back and picking and choosing different methods of calculating results for what they think looks right seems like a can of worms no wise person should open. Most of all they should do exactly and only what the NOR and Sailing instructions say. The most important things with getting average lap racing right is to pick your stopping point well, and make sure there are enough laps. 2 and 3 aren't really enough. With say 6 laps the effects of one slow lap are normally much smaller. |
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |