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    Posted: 12 Dec 16 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Do Different

I only hear anecdotes but I get the impression the cost mentioned for a two person boat at the Rutland TT would look like a cheap weekend compared to taking two kids to some Optimist events.


Opi Opens to tend to be a bit more in the entry fee.  But an increase generally justified by the extra costs in patrol boats for the lower ratios.  And they also do tend to take the prizes further down. And sometimes there are coaching fees to meet too (for Regatta fleet)....So yes a bit more, but generally justified.

But generally still less than the TT, even if you take a notional £18 of for the meals.

Can't believe I'm writing positively about the Opi scene - we said we'd never do it.  But as an Opi parent (yes I did just say that!) on the inside I can now see what the fuss is.
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Originally posted by JimC

Its all very well all this bleating, but its clear that very few people do all the winter events as a series. Instead the vast majority just do one or two, and presumably they make their choices by location and the individual character of the event.

The Bloody Mary is and always has been a massive everyone in pursuit round a complex course, often featuring spectacular mark pileups.

The Grafham Grand Prix is a much more conventional series featuring separate courses.

And one of the different things about the Tiger Trophy is and always has been the Saturday evening black tie meal with various charity aspects attached, and I think usually features a younger entry than most of the others - at least when I've been there.

Even though black tie events are to say the very least of it not my thing (never dressed up like that in my life and never intend to) I think its a very good thing that the events do maintain their individual character, and if the club thinks that bundling in the meal will help maintain the different character of the event then all power to them. The last thing we need is for every event to be pretty much the same. How boring would that be?

Is it still black tie though?  Wasn't when we did it a couple of years ago. Meal was slightly underwhelming, especially as we had battled back through the snow to get there.
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Or it could be to just keep out the riff raff..

Then again who would be left?
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I think Rupert has hit the nail on the head. There is such a wide spectrum of clubs which hold events that some of us ( and I'm guilty of this as well ) are prone to thinking that Hayling or Rutland should charge the same as 'Unspecified Puddle' SC who run entirely on volunteers' efforts and don't have either the facilities or overheads because; after all, a race is just a race...isn't it?! That said, some clubs do squeeze until the pips squeak!

With regard to the 'compulsory dinner ticket', I agree with Chris that it can and does put some people off entering certain events as it is money down the pan if you don't want the meal. I have raised this issue with the organisers of a couple of other events with inclusive meal tickets and their guarded responses suggest that this may actually be a bit of a revenue stream for the organising club. Add £5 to the entry for a meal that costs £1.50 (if that) to provide, which in turn draws/keeps competitors in the clubhouse buying ancillary drinks, etc whilst waiting for said meal and then assume that only 70% of the meal tickets will be redeemed. 
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Jimc really isn't establishment, GRF!

For an entry fee like that I'd really expect a good show put on, decent changing rooms, hot showers even for the losers, trolley grabbers, well presented prizegiving, the works. If so, especially with dinner and a charity donation thrown in, it sounds pretty reasonable. For £10 at a small puddle things might be a little more rustic, if just as much fun.
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Green fees for visitors at our local golf course £ 50/person ... no meal included
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I can't for the life of me remember the cost of entry fees back in the day, but they were never considered excessive and I'm sure we would all have probably spent more at the bar, then again lots of windsurfing events back then were sponsored so that helped keep the costs down, they could even have been foc but then you'd never have known how many to cater for and I suspect that is the case if you're putting on a black tie dinner.

I must say the thing I'm most surprised about reading on this thread somebody I always regarded as establishment and maybe even a bit stuffy in JimC, it comes as a total shock he's never dressed for dinner, I don't think I've ever been to a dinner dance and not black tied up, there might have been the occasional board shorts below, but theyve pretty much always been black tie, even the H&SSC annual do's and to include that in the entry fee for 58 quid doesn't actually seem that unreasonable to me, then again I don't sail a GP14.
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I only hear anecdotes but I get the impression the cost mentioned for a two person boat at the Rutland TT would look like a cheap weekend compared to taking two kids to some Optimist events.
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People will vote with their feet, or so to speak. Despite the slightly eye watering (to me) entry fees at Rutland, I have seen a few Open events (single handed) being in the £40 range. They are inclined to charge right up to the point that enough people stop coming. It's a bit like football tickets prices, there seem constant displeasure the prices of tickets for some of the top Premiership team, however they are still selling out week in week out.

What were entry fee like back in the 60's 70's in comparison to the cost of boat/insurance etc etc
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A lot of open minded sense talked there JimC.
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