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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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One person's twitchy is another's responsive, thought we'd covered that.
I raced an Argo with a good L2/3 student crewing recently, and it went OK for an underpowered training boat. Whopped the 2000s, but then I'd have hoped to in a 2000, too. Once I stopped trying to sail it like a firefly, things went better! |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Really? Which world would that be, the planet rock'n rolla? |
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tomjv ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 17 Location: somers,ny Online Status: Offline Posts: 16 |
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Last year I bought a Zuma (my first sailboat!) I like the boat. It's really easy to transport and rig. It sails well, even in light winds. It gets screaming in medium winds. The problem is, it's just too small for me to tolerate for long periods with my old knees. Also, it's way too tight with both me and my wife on board. The boom is kinda low and the design of the main sheet is poor (IMHO). It gets caught on my life jacket all the time. especially in light winds.
Pretty soon after, I wound up buying an Argo. We love that boat! Yep, it was expensive, but I'm gonna keep her, so I'm not worried about resail. I didn't want to buy something I have to work on. The Argo is plenty comfy for two adults or even 1 adult and 2 kids. The rigging is well thought out and top notch. It takes me about 30 minutes to rig. The most difficult part is dealing with those pesky split rings! OMG, I can't see them or feel them! The boat handles well. I haven't capsized it yet, so I can't speak to righting her. The furling jib is a pleasure. It comes with a spinnaker which we haven't rigged yet. It also has a one-line reefing system, which I haven't used yet either. I'm no expert, but that thing is pretty fast when it gets going. I wound up keeping the Zuma primarily for use on a small lake(300 acres) that we stay on. I trailer the Argo to larger lakes (miles long lakes!, like 7,000 acres). I'm a brand new sailor, so take it from where it comes, but I think your son and you would LOVE this boat. TomJV |
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sawman ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205 |
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laser2000 py=1109 Ent py= 1116 doubt you would see a decently sailed Ent behind a L2000 in anything but survival conditions, or a long reach when the 2000 is 3 sailing
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Eisvogel ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Dec 16 Location: Birmingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 135 |
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We have L2000 as training boats, and the other day I took one out for our club racing with a beginner. I usually sail an Ent, and I did not really get on with the L2000 very well. I thought it was slow and heavy. Maybe that's just because as a training boat it has not been set up properly for racing, but I'd much prefer the handling of the Ent...
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Enterprise 20361 (Eisvogel), Laser 102727 (Halcyon), Laser 121986
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Ardea ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 06 Oct 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
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The RS200 is a world away from the twitchy monster this forum suggests it is. However, the advice above is good. Composite enterprises are rather good & L2000 are great for what you are looking for. Both would be better for what you want than an RS200. The L2000 will be faster, but more complex to rig than an ent. So getting from trailer to water will take longer, but it'll probably be better once on the water.
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sawman ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 May 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 205 |
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Theres an ent on apolloduck (22706) which looks to be a composite boat - the FRP on these will be durable, there is a similar aged one at our club that was an open winner the year before last. With regards woodbothering, its really not necessary in the (relatively) modern age. anything with a 22k number will have been constructed with epoxy resins and if coated with a decent 2 pack finish will need almost no maintenance aside from keeping it clean. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3419 |
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I was lucky with my early Ent' 1970's, this did not have issues associated with GRP boats from that era, only issue I had with it, couldn't get it to point at first, but following rigging advice sorted it.
Newer Ent's appear to be ok ? Have a look on Enterprise class website 'for sale' section and ebay etc
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Doctor D ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 07 May 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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Berth to Lake is about 10-15 metres at our lake so the weight is not too big a deal. There's a slight slope but manageable. Bala and Lakes have straight forward launches. However, interested in views on the Enterprise - as you say you can get one for a lot less. However, I'm not a fan of wood bothering and I've only heard bad things about GRP ents…?
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3419 |
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Enterprise for me too, the struggle with weight of 2000 on soft sand or in fact hard, or any kind of slope, rules it out for parent/child combination, plus you will pick up a decent Ent' for a lot less money.
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