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    Posted: 23 Dec 15 at 11:49am
Originally posted by pompeysailor

So reading a few posts, and knowing it might have been discussed before, but I will attempt to start the conversation again..

With a little adjusting within each class, "we" could very easily gain a fantastic set of boats which can effectively race against in a "class" without handicap.

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* Aero 9
* D-Zero
* Blaze
* Phantom
* RS300
* RS100 8.4
* Farr 3.7
* Laser EPS
* Contender
* A new class built specifically for the BOX rule?

All currently based around an approx. current handicap of 1000 and certainly in different condition each class will rise to the front.

What we need it the classes to agree to a BOX rule and potentially a 'committee' built to adjust the classes to even them out through different means over a period of time.

Everyone likes different boats, but it would help sailing grow knowing that you could have 200+ boats attending a BOX rule nationals..!

Thoughts?..

I can see this as a rejuvenation of the 'Sail Fast' group of classes for the smaller SH classes on any list. Which I'm sure would welcome the opportunity to mass together to create big enough turn outs for open meetings.
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Nearest boat we have to a box rule is the Optimist, surely?
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I suspect most of us are generally happy with what we have and the idea of a box rule and talk about it will fizzle out.......until the 2016 PYs are announced and the annual bunfest kicks off!
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I thought I might try and write something that would contribute to this discussion. But having read all the contributions here, I'm not sure I can. All I can say is if you want to try a box rule, then try it. If it works, then maybe the word would spread. Otherwise you've got (outside fleet racing) the PY system or at some events the sailjuice system. I've done a lot of handicap racing in my 45 years of competitive sailing and, despite the odd grumble (ok a few major grumbles) I continue week in week out (as do most sailors at our club) and get on with it. I do have to say though, if a box rule came in, if there was something quicker, more closely exploiting the box rule, I'd probably either buy one or go and do something different.
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I do class racing and handicap, I do however like to race my ent against GP'S, their is something special about beating a noisy GP crew.
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So who has raced at POSH here ?    This event exists already, is well supported by a number of singlehander classes (the 'SH' denotes 'Single Handers' after all).  It is now several years old and is seemingly easy enough to organise ....

It is about as close as you are ever likely to get to a practical 'real world' way forward .. (one that works - and not just on a forum ;-)  Multiple singlehander classes on a common start line ... you or 'they' can then frig the results anyway you like and still give results class by class as well as by GL, PN or whatever handicap adjustment approach you like.  You are very unlikely to 'improve' on this proven exisiting model imo - but you might just like to organise additonal ones at other clubs. 

First step ?  Just go to POSH in 2016 if you have not done so in the past.  (Most attempts are 'improving' the wheel generally also end up making them round as well !)


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I can't see the box rule thing working if all it's offering is straight head to head across all classes. 
However if writing times down is too arduous for those running it, I can see some attraction in what I think TT was talking of at a massed board event, racing for line honours and class honours. 
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Posts: 1312 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 15 at 4:41pm
Yes exactly @ 4.10 & 4.11 Whatever the sage wisdom may be, if it was that attractive it would be happening. People will vote with their feet (and wallets) end of and they do! There are some travelling fleets of classes which evidence a desire for head to head battle as there is also a majority of handicap racing in Clubs. If people are enjoying the choice to do either or even both as I do, what's the problem?   
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