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    Posted: 26 Sep 15 at 6:49pm
Only time my boat was damaged in the boatpark the boat next to it was blown over. Said boat was still securely tied down while on its side and on top of my boat (only a dent in the side and a hole in the cover).
Take care that if you have a rope just looped around the mast then brought down to the other side the mast can work it's way along, sort of like a ratchet in some ways, the wind moves it along but when there is a lull it doesn't always return to it's starting position. In my case the boat also came off its trolley (whilst still tied down) which gave it more slack in the tie down.
In my experience of boats in storms frequently the worst damage is caused by boats own trolleys, especially if they don't have a proper cradle, as the boat can stab itself on the sides of the bunks as it goes over without the trolley.
Special care should be taken if your boat is stern to the wind, the worst damage I have seen was caused to GP14s that were lifted by the wind under the stern.
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Originally posted by Pastyman

So what happens at open meetings , most clubs do not have additional facilities for visiting boats to be tied down, therefore insurance invalid .......Best not travel anymore  Shocked


I think we should all take SDS drills with us and those expanding concrete bolts so we can tie down wherever we go! Smile

It's a valid point though, I always remember taking those dog screw things to tie into, at least it was better than nothing.
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Brings back memories of being woken up at 3 in the morning at Kielder Reservoir by a gathering storm, repositioning the boat on the best possible alignment, taking all precautions. If you make sure your boat doesn't get blown over or otherwise damaged you don't have a problem.
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So what happens at open meetings , most clubs do not have additional facilities for visiting boats to be tied down, therefore insurance invalid .......Best not travel anymore  Shocked
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Scrap rail is always worth something to the thieving fraternity-just ask Network Rail how much they lose. Plus, you want a system that doesn't depend on the guy next to you tying down properly; damage is just as likely from someone less careful than yourself.

I'm surprised nobody from the insurance industry hasn't been on to give their take on what is acceptable. A reasonable attempt to avoid loss would be chain in concrete either side, or Rawlbolts in the concrete IMO
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tie it to the boat either side of you. get them to tie theirs to yours. hey presto job done!
Also has the added benefit that if it doesn't work, you are not the only one sat in the bar watching the next Wednesday evening race.
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scaffolding poles and couplings probably easier sourced admittedly, but who knows... I guess you'd have to be careful that scumbags don't pinch it for scrap, maybe bike locking the boats would also add another layer of security, or at least 'hassle factor' for the would-be opportunist thief.  

Thinking about it, you could even make a grid out of scaffold poles so each boat has a unique slot.  OK... it would cost money (dinghy sailors don't like that), but the added security and compliance with insurance would surely make it worth considering.  

Budget wise - you're looking at about £30 a berth



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Post Options Post Options   Quote piglet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 12:49pm

You wouldn't move track rails.

If they were placed on bricks as sleepers so that everyone could pass their ropes under.

What are worn out rails worth? plus the delivery with a Hiab to get them all in place.

Like the thinking though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 11:27am
someone needs to think laterally about this...

why  not see if you can source some scaffold poles or a piece of railway track.  Everyone ties their trolley down to it about 2 or 3 foot into the A-Frame and then ensures their boat is secured to their trolley across the beam and at the bow- the collective weight of the boats. trollies (and maybe even a concrete bucket at each end of the track/pole) is enough to stop the whole lot blowing over.




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The water utility companies are fullfilling their brief by allowing recreational activity to take place, but in truth they would probably rather they didn't have to. I doubt our insurance woes are any concern of theirs.

The long, heavy chain idea should work if permission were granted to anchor each end, at least all the boats would be tied together and would therefore move together. But this would require investment by the clubs. Many people/committees might say 'never had a problem in the past so why spend the money'.

My summer club had an old Skipper as a kids play boat partially dug in, no mast. One winter it cartwheeled across the carpark to the fence without hitting anything. Skippers are not lighweight racing machines either.



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