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    Posted: 05 May 15 at 11:21am
Originally posted by timeonthewater

Organically grown..like on a hydroponic table utilising fungi myceliium as a carbon
 carrying layering system...not grown like a tree.. ..you're all a bit behind on carbon tech 



Or just going off on a tangent...

The concept of growing fibres that work like, or are, Carbon, is a wonderful one, and I'm sure linked to growing bio fuels in such a way that it doesn't use valuable agricultural land as it does currently. Beyond that, I can safely say that I know nothing about how you would go about it.
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Organically grown..like on a hydroponic table utilising fungi myceliium as a carbon
 carrying layering system...not grown like a tree.. ..you're all a bit behind on carbon tech 

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There's a bit of a technical problem trying to maintain rig tension, on a carbon rotating rig that has spreaders and also has to rake to reduce power and fly a symmetrical kite. The added pitching moment of the spar, is very noticeable sailing in a seaway, so needs to be ultra skinny and very tapered. 
John Turner/Glenn Trussed up well, a high modulus skinny spar manufacturer, a custom sail maker need to get involved and a bucket load of development money and time

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The mast doesn't bend equally in every direction, so the orientation of the spar has a big effect.

Typically an overrotating mast will bend more sideways than fore and aft, which means that when the mast is over rotated leech tension will move the mast tip to windward, and consequently the mid mast to leeward. This massively reduces twist. The sideways bend of the mast will also 'use up' luff round and tend to flatten the sail

If the mast is rotated neutrally relative to the leech tension then it will be much stiffer and bend less, so the sail will be fuller, but also more twisted.

If the mast is underrotated then the top mast will bend to leeward and the whole rig will twist off.

So the amount of rotation has a huge effect on how mast bend and the leech behaves, but unfortunately its not a linear effect, which I suspect is one of the reasons why they are so tweaky. Another factor is that the amount of mast rotation for optimum mast bend characteristics in any given wind condition is almost certainly not the same as the optimum position for mast aerodynamics.

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Originally posted by Peaky

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0ovCn1Yxs

Nice idea, how is mast bend effected by rotating the mast, the shrouds still pull in the same direction dont they?
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Is it that difficult in todays world. The D one has a rotating mast although not an over rotating mast which I guess would be the term for what is being discussed here?
Also it flies a spinaker from it unstayed.
Maybe things could now move forward for the stayed over rotator?
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Originally posted by transient

Lame joke........beech nuts are otherwise known as masts.


At least I've learned something today!

Now, I believe JimC has a wooden wing mast for a Cherub. Not sure what is is made from, but I think I'd go for spruce and balsa if making one now from wood.

C class cat Lady Helmsman also had a (very large) wooden wing mast back in the late 60s. Frames and skinned in very thin ply, I think. Others were done in similar ways.
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Nuts? Wouldn't that be boatdesign.net, not here?

I must admit I was wondering if beech mast was going to turn out to be a name for some bizarre perversion too...

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Lame joke........beech nuts are otherwise known as masts.
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