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    Posted: 27 Apr 15 at 9:57am
Originally posted by boatshed

It is a lot more work but I would like to see all of the club class races being bundled into a mass club handicap series to get two sets of results from one race; the individual class results and mass  h/cap results.  

It seems daft to have a class race when one or two boats enter.   In this situation, those one or two boats in a class race get a h/cap result as well.   I know that many strict class racers consider h/cap racing the work of the devil and for those  they can simply not look at the results.



Bad form to reply to your own post but...

I have now seen at Draycote that the Wed evening series for the class starts and the handicap fleet are all timed and three sets of results are provided because every boat is timed.

Class racing and the handicap fleet.
All boat handicap result.
All boat handicap result based on weekly adjusted personal handicaps.

The personal handicaps then go on to get used in the six annual Pursuit races.

This is brilliant as last Wed we had 47 boats in the mass handicap race and from some Optimists to skiffs.   A single Miracle entered (one of Draycote's official Classes) and picked up a 2nd out of 47 boats.    Without these mass handicap results being produced, that lonely Miracle would have sailed around the race course as Billy No Mates clocking up a "hollow victory" 1st in the class series.   In the event it picked up a very credible 2nd out of 47!

Hopefully, some of the other Class boats will see this as a massive opportunity to sail in a big fleet rather than quit Wednesday evening racing because of the ruinous practice of timing them and giving them a mass handicap result.

edit:  Apols to JimC for the thread drift.  



Edited by boatshed - 27 Apr 15 at 10:01am
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I would have thought that whether you qualify for a series or not is irrelevant for the occasional sailor.  The knub of it is that unless you allocate the time in your life to go sailing and ring fence it, there are a million other things that will use up the time.  This is probably why sailing is popular with the 50+ and inder 18 age groups, because anyone in between has no spare time.

It is also why Wednesday evening sailing is popular, since for many the alternative is sitting in front of the box.

In order to grow series participation, you need to get people to change their time allocation in favour of sailing on a regular basis ... like every week except for Births, Marriages and Funerals ... which is how things work in our household.

Once you commit to cutting the grass on a Saturday afternoon (in our case) then regular race attendance is doomed.

The ways to acheive this is making members feel they are missing out by not going to the Club or Racing.  This might be acheived by improving the quality, quantity and depth of the racing fleets, or by improving the social draw.  

I am not sure that easier qualification is the answer, in fact it might just make the regulars become less committed to turning out.

One other thought is that perhaps less is more.  We stop sailing in January and February, so everyone comes back fresh and enthusiastic in March.  We have one Saturday race each week (and Wednesday Evenings), target time 1.5 hours with the bar open shortly after finishing ... maybe if we had two or three races, I would pick and chose which one I did, diluting the quality/quantity for the rest of the fleet.
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Midweek racing has been the bastion of our place, Tuesday Night Windsurf & Thursday Dinghies, this year we're trying to get the boards to race and be timed so we can send in returns and get boards a handicap number.
Last year we tried to get the Mackerel fleet to race with the boards but only a couple turned out and the weather didn't really play ball.

I quite enjoyed the pursuit race format they run down the lake for the first event of any series and will endeavour to get the Hythe lot to do one, theres a move for a Sunday afternoon race in the summer, maybe that could be a format they'll take to and if by then we have the Boards handicap dialled they to could join in, maybe even gets some kites involved.

In a small club it has to be about involving everyone in everything, we've even got a group of roadie bikers meeting on a Sunday morning before they go for a ride, so far it works well, they don't have cars to park and they congregate after their ride whilst we're still on the water, I have to bite my lip and not start with the mamil bender jokes which is difficult for me, I have sacrificed so much for this club.

Then  guess that's what it's all about, self sacrifice in the name of pleasing others.. Wink


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Originally posted by patj




Midweek evening racing is particularly popular


Agreed.  


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Originally posted by patj



Midweek evening racing is particularly popular as folk feel that this is time well earned after a day's work and not impinging on family time in the same way as Sunday racing so more people seem to qualify in this series than in others - is this the future of racing?.

yes- I think so for a lot of us.  It's not too much of an ask is it... after all many better halves would rather see us out doing something active and invigorating rather than it being 'night of down the pub'.

Draycote have also launched an early bird race on a Sunday- it's a short 30-45 minute race.   Which in practice means you can be up and out and home before the kids are out of their pyjamas.  I hope to be able to participate in that once in a while.
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At our puddle we have a mixture of series and one day (three race)events and on series days the morning race is usually a pursuit and a separate series to the afternoon handicap races and there are always some "morning only" sailors. Most series are short and seasonal (Spring Pursuit, Summer points etc.), but there is also the Annual Pursuit and Annual Points series which are seven race days scattered through the whole sailing season.

The turn out for a one day event is usually noticeably better than for a series event. A lot of sailors don't want to do three races either and often the winner of a best 2 out of 3 is decided after two races and the winner goes home, so the third race becomes a token race for lower places.

Duty crews who would have qualified for a series had they not been on duty get their average score but it has so far only had an effect once and we have a prize for the person doing most races in a year too.

With today's scoring software, a league table shouldn't be difficult to put together to find the best average sailor - total results divided by races entered.

Midweek evening racing is particularly popular as folk feel that this is time well earned after a day's work and not impinging on family time in the same way as Sunday racing so more people seem to qualify in this series than in others - is this the future of racing?.

Edited by patj - 17 Apr 15 at 6:50am
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It is a lot more work but I would like to see all of the club class races being bundled into a mass club handicap series to get two sets of results from one race; the individual class results and mass  h/cap results.  

It seems daft to have a class race when one or two boats enter.   In this situation, those one or two boats in a class race get a h/cap result as well.   I know that many strict class racers consider h/cap racing the work of the devil and for those  they can simply not look at the results.

Oh, and to make it easier for all, every boat needs to be set up with a gps thingy that sends the times directly to a 'puter for immediate results.  I can't believe these are too expensive.

Also, make the series shorter or less onerous to qualify without counting a load of DNSs


Edited by boatshed - 16 Apr 15 at 10:37pm
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Dependent on where the club is (i.e. how long most people have to travel to get there), the times when the races are held can make quite a difference to attendance. If most people travel only a shortish journey (less than half an hour), arranging the races so you can either do just a morning or an afternoon works pretty well.
Many clubs still seem to manage to make a total of 2 hours of racing use up most of the day with a race around 1pm and the second at 3pm. This doesn't start late enough to do anything else much in the morning or have lunch at home first, and by the time you're back from the club the whole day is gone.
Clubs which have two races back to back in the morning, and then another two back to back in the afternoon in a different series seem to do pretty well with attendance. This means the people who can only afford half a day away from home still get to sail a complete series. It also caters for those who can/want to spend the whole day there, and they get the chance to do more sailing than they did before in not much extra time.
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Originally posted by fish n ships

Or you could have a rash vest passed from winner to winnner like the tour de france?


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We try and vary our calendar as much as possible but with limits imposed by tide we push to get as much in as possible, perhaps at the expense of other methods.

we have regular series racing mostly split into saturday series and sunday series.

a few long distance one day all in trophy races including round the islands

a couple of short distance one day all in trophy races

all in pursuit race on day trophy

an average lap weekend trophy

an adult sailing series (not as dodgy as it sounds)

a personal handicap series

plus a club champions series taken from having a combined all in start once a month during regular series racing.

we keep the summer bank holiday series to two days so every one can attend a full weekend and or have some family time, this has increased bank holiday turnout massively.
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