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    Posted: 13 Jan 15 at 11:36am
Post something in haste, delete it later - better than leaving it there, isn't it? Better would be to have a think before posting, but we are all guilty of not doing that, I'm sure.
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Originally posted by Peaky

Not my club Craiggo - Kyle Langford (Oracle AC trimmer) at the Moth Worlds.

Seems to have deleted his tweet? [cough]guilty conscience?[/cough]

https://twitter.com/kylelangford_/
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I think it is bang out of order to publish comments like this on public forums. Fair enough have a moan to other competitors and if you get interviewed then say you felt the the race should not have been run. 

They always have the opportunity for redress if they feel the RC actions disadvantaged them remember. Unless of course they left launching too late and were late over the line causing them to get timed out at the finish....
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Peaky

So, if a competitor publishes a tweet, mid-series, calling the Race Officer "retarded" is that covered by any rule?


Depends, if it were me and I saw it early enough OCS usually covers it.

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Originally posted by Peaky

So, if a competitor publishes a tweet, mid-series, calling the Race Officer "retarded" is that covered by any rule?


Depends, if it were me and I saw it early enough OCS usually covers it.
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Tom Slingsby has made similar comments although not so rude. It does sound like the conditions were tricky on the day but a number of boats did finish the race so there is no reason why they should be the only ones. The ones that didn't got it wrong. If you read the conditions wrong on a more straight forward day you will get a result down the back, just a shame for them that the ones that got it wrong didn't make it to the finish, or even to the start in some cases. Red faces all round for the olympians and AC sailors who are quite rightly a bit embarrassed. Still, it does not excuse rudeness towards a race officer who provided a race for those who were smart enough to make it round!
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Originally posted by Quagers

Yeah I dont know if there are specific guidelines in fleet racing but if not I imagine you can apply the same criteria used in team racing for umpire abuse. If its repeated, aggressive, calls into question your competence or impartiality or you find it personally upsetting you should punish/escalate it.

  • Foul or abusive language, intimidation, aggressive behaviour or lack of respect for others and their property will not be tolerated.
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What is expected of competitors:

      • courtesy and respect to other competitors, officials, and other users of the water, both afloat and ashore.



 [14.2] ‘There is a need at junior level to instil respect for race officials in sailing. Abuse of officials, questioning of decisions, etc. is not uncommon in more high profile televised sports such as football so it is important that junior sailors are aware that it isn't acceptable in sailing.’ 


A competitor, in a website post referred to protest and appeals committees as “incompetent” and “lazy” and said  “Any a**hole could put the two facts found together, as well as it was a sad realisation that the
supposed experts needed to be led through the course of events like little children being led
across the street”

The Disciplinary Commission held that this was totally unacceptable and is clearly a gross breach of good manners and sportsmanship. but did NOT bring the sport into disrepute.

The Disciplinary Panel's Decision is well worth a read
 
Key things about commenting on a protest committee's decision:
 
8.7  With respect to the first issue (the dissent from the decision of the appeals Committee), the Panel is mindful of the need for decisions of officials in sport to be respected and not open to abuse. ...
 
[but]
 
It is always acceptable to have a difference of opinion with officials, and indeed it is inevitable that from time to time officials and competitors will disagree on decisions made. However, differences of opinion must be raised in a respectful manner and at an appropriate time and place.
 
So any reasoned discussion of a protest or appeal committee's decision, even by a party, provided it avoids bad language or abuse, and provided it is not expressed in some inappropriate context, such as allinternationaljudgesareb**tards.com. will not breach rule 69.
 
Key things about bringing the sport into disrepute
8.12 ... In order for the sport to be brought into disrepute, there must be evidence that it has so been and findings made by the hearing panel accordingly. The rule does not refer to the possibility or opportunity for it to be brought into disrepute; it refers to a situation where it has been.
 
8.13 In the Court of Arbitration of Sport case, D’Arcy v Australian Olympic Committee CAS 2008/A/1539 , the Court of Arbitration of Sport defined the concept of disreputable conduct by stating that “Bringing a person into disrepute is to lower the reputation of a person in the eyes of ordinary members of the public to a significant extent”. RRS 69.1(a) requires in respect of this limb, “conduct bringing the sport into disrepute”. The Panel does not believe there is any actual evidence of the bringing of the sport into disrepute and this limb requires evidence of disrepute. The mere making of such derogatory comments does not of itself amount to conduct bringing the sport into disrepute. 

8.14 In addition, the period of time during which the Respondent’s comments were available was short and the website was not by all accounts a popular one frequented by the general public. The mere fact that the website was open to the public is insufficient in our view to found a charge of disrepute.
 
8.15 Therefore, the Panel is not comfortably satisfied that the Respondent brought the sport of sailing into disrepute and he has not committed gross misconduct in this respect.
 



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Agree with that.....but intrigued as to what he got 'wrong'!
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Oh dear! Another case of a young professional not understanding the impact of uncareful tweets. These Oracle boys are going to get a reputation!
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My personal rule, again from team racing, is to have a lot less sympathy as the level of the event goes up, they should know better.
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