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    Posted: 10 Jan 15 at 10:16am
Interesting thread/ Almost certainly my next two-hander will be an Albacore for all the reasons mentioned above. It is also as capable on puddles as on the open sea.

A modern Hartley Wayfarer is a nice piece of kit on the water, takes weight well but ashore it is a lump.

I've sailed an X1 and it is a lovely boat, for me the sym kite is a plus. Unfortunately they are a bit pricey - but quality. How do they do in a lumpy sea?

The 59er is something of an enigma. It seemed to have a lot going for it on paper and I agree that it is something that could be worth a rig revamp. Are the hull moulds tucked away somewhere? Did the RS400 seem the more sensible option?
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I would have thought that we are talking about owners being 30+ and crew anything else, which surely must be the profile of most two handers.

Any younger as an owner and you going to be wealthyish and probably after something more exciting (RS800, 49er etc). Maybe an explanation behind the demise of high performance boats that Jim mentioned.
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No offence, but I think 50-80 is exactly the target market for a boat like this....  
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No, 18 yr olds are not the main target, but only that they are closer to it than 80 year olds.

Let's say it's 18-50 yr olds rather than 50-80 year olds (on inland waters).

I fully appreciate however that this first group will have markedly less disposable than the second group - but here lies a problem facing every single leisure activity in the UK methinks even, incredibly, golf...

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Originally posted by ChrisI

but 18 year olds, on fluky, awkward inland waters,


That's a damn peculiar target market... At 18 in my day at least almost no-one had money for a new boat. New boats were mostly bought by keen sailors in their 20s and 30s who had worked for long enough to be past entry level jobs, but had yet to embark on most-expensive-hobby-of-all, and by older sailors who had passed peak expenditure on said hobby.
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Originally posted by ChrisI

but 18 year olds, on fluky, awkward inland waters, it is in a different ball park.....

I hope Mummy and Daddy are loaded.....  
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18 year olds? Your target market is surely more like 50 - 60, the empty nesters who love sailing on confined water and have paid the mortgage off?
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"Hopefully the X1 and X0 will take over from the Wayfarer, a boat I've always enjoyed as a sailor of well-padded proportions. It appears to have the right ingredients ; lighter hull, carbon rig, easily driven, deepish cockpit. I've enjoyed creek crawling, lake and sea racing in the Wayfarer, as well as teaching plenty of beginners! Perhaps the time is right for a successor?"

No, I think the Wayfarer is an excellent boat that will be around for a whole lot longer.... a friend has just sailed round Britain in one - ideal craft for it (slightly modified) that will be at the Dinghy Show I believe - and there is no way the X1 would have been suitable for that!

Nor for teaching complete beginners. But once someone is competent then the fact that you can get three adults in (.... or 6 kids!) is cool, and in the dreaded very light winds is most certainly not boring!
It is much more dynamic than Wayfarer and, absolutely agreed, will not suit 80 year olds.... but 18 year olds, on fluky, awkward inland waters, it is in a different ball park.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iiiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 15 at 10:32am
Certainly many small clubs do come under the 'Gods waiting room' banner, ours does to a certain extent.  Of course by definition a sailing club will attract active old men and we all are, jolly as well. 
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Rupert,

This is getting scary, we must stop agreeing with each other. But you are spot on correct to highlight the age dynamic in all of this. Although people may argue the detail, I think most of us accept that dinghy racing participation has been on a steady decline for at least two decades - maybe more.

But if you then factor in the age demographics, you have an even more worrying trend. There is a big chunk of the sport that is rapidly sailing over the horizon to its sell by date. Take those out and what would you have left..... I would suggest the answer is 'not a lot'.

Right now it is almost a dead heat between Part III of the 'Let us think about what we are doing' series and an article that has been on the stocks for a long time, which looks as the way in which many of the modern classes have not been particularly attractive to the older sailor. The reasons are many and complex - if you have sailed boat X or been a member at Club Y for a number of years, why change?

I guess that if you were a sailing authority that was looking for a radical overhaul that may well include a cull of a number of the traditional classes (as part of a move to reinstate class racing) then it would suggest that with a little bit of patience, time will do their job for them!

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